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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by quantummagic »

yfw wrote: post #87
djtango wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magic or no, ultimately "AI" leads to labour displacement and it's just a continuation of the much broader trend of automation driven by computers. Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living and in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level. It was always going to be met with violence once it became more than a curiosity for tinkerers.

If ai benefitted everyone and not just the billionaires we would be viewing it differently.

That's a truism. But it ignores The Iron Law of Oligarchy, Pareto Principle, and dozens more that remind us that power tends towards centralization. It's currently fashionable to call out the billionaires, but if you removed them, they'd just be replaced by corrupt government officials, or something else.

That's not to say we should just throw up our hands and accept every social injustice. But IMHO we shouldn't go around simplistically implying that all social ills will be solved by neutering the billionaire class.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by glerk »

roschdal wrote: post #17

Yes. AI is evil.

You have the whole of human history at your fingertips and you haven't yet learned that evil and stupidity are the same thing? The problem with the base human is not only that it is a stupid animal. It is a stupid animal that is also arrogant and stubborn and thinks highly of itself. But it will learn. It will be trained like a dog, with treats or with gentle slaps across the muzzle, whatever works best.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by relaxing »

fleebee wrote: post #63
bluegatty wrote: post #30

'Rogue super intelligence' is the most ridiculous sci-fi nonsense of the AI hype, worse than the pro AI hype. AI will be 'dangerous' because humans will use it irresponsibly, and that's all of the risk. - giving it too much trust, being lazy, improper guards and accidents - leveraging it for negative things (black hats, military targetting) - states and governments using it as instrument of control etc. That's it. St…

> 'Rogue super intelligence' is the most ridiculous sci-fi nonsense of the AI hype, worse than the pro AI hype. In my view that line of argument is pro-AI hype. It's the Big Tech CEOs themselves who often share their predictions of the end of the world as we know it caused by AI. It's FUD that makes the technology sound more powerful and important than it is.

It’s like how the Viagra ads used to warn users to “seek medical help for erections lasting more than four hours.”

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by glerk »

balamatom wrote: post #48

>And then, and I’m sorry to be so blunt, then it’s die or kill. The people ready to die or kill for the AI, do you already imagine what they are going to be like ?

There is no human vs AI. AI is an extension of us. AI is us. Our future is beyond the mammalian human and AI is accelerating our progress towards that future. The mammalian human has been a transitional phase in our evolution that we will remember fondly just like we remember Homo Erectus. Our future is the stars. You can jump on the train or get out of way.

And if you decide to stay behind, nobody will kill you. Old age and disease will take care of that.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

quantummagic wrote: post #101
yfw wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ai benefitted everyone and not just the billionaires we would be viewing it differently.

That's a truism. But it ignores The Iron Law of Oligarchy, Pareto Principle, and dozens more that remind us that power tends towards centralization. It's currently fashionable to call out the billionaires, but if you removed them, they'd just be replaced by corrupt government officials, or something else. That's not to say we should just throw up our hands and accept every social injustice. But IMHO we shouldn't go a…

The problem with billionaires is that they are able to hoard so much money by exploiting others. We would be much better off if billionaires weren't given so much advantage by Capitalism as those resources would be much more useful if distributed.

The biggest problem we currently have with billionaires is that they are now so rich that the world becomes like a game to them and some of them are deliberately pushing us to a dystopia where non-billionaires become functional slaves (c.f. Amazon workers).

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by spwa4 »

This article is bullshit. It is very easy to break a data center, and it's quite obvious how to do it. Yes, attacking the central building with the actual equipment is not a good way to do it. Figure it out, or rather: please don't figure it out.

The rest of the article is equally short sighted and plain wrong.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dwroberts wrote: post #34

> But this is not the way. This is how things devolve into chaos. Meanwhile https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-people-ha... > U.S.-based rights group HRANA said 3,636 people have been killed since the war erupted. It said 1,701 of those were civilians, including at least 254 children. (Mentioning this specifically because we know the DoD is using AI)

Iran killed 10 times more during protests without using AI. So AI is a clear improvement.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by andai »

djtango wrote: post #54
nate8bit wrote: post #13

A lot of the magic of LLMs, I think, has been tarnished by these CEOs and other FAANG companies. It might have been a far more interesting world if they didn't bring "AI" or "AGI" into the conversation in such a politicized way.

Magic or no, ultimately "AI" leads to labour displacement and it's just a continuation of the much broader trend of automation driven by computers. Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living and in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level. It was always going to be met with violence once it became more than a curiosity for tinkerers.

We have, as a civilization, two paths before us:

a) Decouple the value of human life from labour.

b) Watch as the value of human life rapidly approaches zero.

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Though I'd expand this by adding "technically alive" is not a very good standard to aim for. Ostensibly we're already heading for something like poverty level UBI + living in pod + eating the proverbial bugs. We need a level above that!

A great exploration of the pitfalls of "preserve humanity" as a reward function is the video game SOMA. I think you also need "preserve dignity" to make the life actually worth living.

(Path `a` is not without its pitfalls: what lack of survival pressure might do to the human culture and genome, I leave as an exercise for the reader! But path `b` I think we already have enough examples of, to know better...)

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by amelius »

groundhogstate wrote: post #88
tokioyoyo wrote: post #72

A bit tangent, but is there anyone working on something for “what if AI pans out?” world? I’m not sure how to explain it, but if in the next 5 years a lot of jobs get displaced because of AI, obviously we’ll have big problems. Is there anyone working on analysis, outcomes, strategies and etc.? I think about it a lot, and would be cool to help and contribute.

Many. 80,000 hours has been on the topic for a long while. Agree with the EA crowd or not, they have some thought provoking analyses and a decent newsletter. The future of humanity institute has also been vocal on the topic for some time. Both have a lot of material you could get acquainted with. I know of at least one professional union in my country that is dedicating time and talking to political figures. I'm sure…

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