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MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by zozbot234 »

simonw wrote: post #12

Absolutely not "open source" - here's the license: https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.7/blob/main/LICE... > Non-commercial use permitted based on MIT-style terms; commercial use requires prior written authorization. And calling the non-commercial usage "MIT-style terms" is a stretch - they come with a bunch of extra restrictions about prohibited uses. It's open weights, not open source.

It's not even open weights as generally understood, the non-commercial restriction is pretty severe. The earlier M2.5 model will still be preferred for many purposes.

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by zozbot234 »

jbergqvist wrote: post #7

"Helped build itself" is a bit of a stretch here, it makes it sound as if the model was doing lasting self-improvements. What the article describes is that the model was able to tweak to its own deployment harness (memory, skills, experimental loop etc) to improve performance on benchmarks. While impressive, it's not doing any modifications to its own weights by e.g. modifying the training code.

By this standard, Claude "helped build itself" since Claude Code is 100% vibe coded. Not sure if this also applies somewhat to ChatGPT and Codex.

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by stavros »

fg137 wrote: post #16

What's people's experience of using MiniMax for coding? I had a really bad time with it. I use (real) Claude Code for work so I know what a good model feels like. MiniMax's token plan is nice but the quality is really far from Claude models. I needed to constantly "remind" it to get things done. Even for a four sentence prompt in a session that is well below the context window, MiniMax would ignore half of it. This h…

I haven't tried MiniMax but Claude has gotten seriously nerfed lately. A few weeks ago I could code all week on the $100/mo plan without getting close to the limit, now I consumed half the limit in the first day.

Ridiculous, my company has committed to $200k annual plans and they changed the deal mid-way. We'll have to see about a refund.

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by orlp »

simonw wrote: post #12

Absolutely not "open source" - here's the license: https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.7/blob/main/LICE... > Non-commercial use permitted based on MIT-style terms; commercial use requires prior written authorization. And calling the non-commercial usage "MIT-style terms" is a stretch - they come with a bunch of extra restrictions about prohibited uses. It's open weights, not open source.

I've flagged the post, the title is editorialized, the title on the blog post is "MiniMax M2.7: The Agentic Model That Helped Build Itself" (at least at the time of writing this).

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by zozbot234 »

orlp wrote: post #25
simonw wrote: post #12

Absolutely not "open source" - here's the license: https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.7/blob/main/LICE... > Non-commercial use permitted based on MIT-style terms; commercial use requires prior written authorization. And calling the non-commercial usage "MIT-style terms" is a stretch - they come with a bunch of extra restrictions about prohibited uses. It's open weights, not open source.

I've flagged the post, the title is editorialized, the title on the blog post is "MiniMax M2.7: The Agentic Model That Helped Build Itself" (at least at the time of writing this).

"Helped build itself" is arguably also a stretch as noted in another comment.

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Post by MarsIronPI »

simonw wrote: post #12

Absolutely not "open source" - here's the license: https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.7/blob/main/LICE... > Non-commercial use permitted based on MIT-style terms; commercial use requires prior written authorization. And calling the non-commercial usage "MIT-style terms" is a stretch - they come with a bunch of extra restrictions about prohibited uses. It's open weights, not open source.

Even the MIT-licensed weights are just that: open weights. Let's not call the weights "source", because they're emphatically not. I can't retrain Qwen from the ground up with different pre-training algorithms, for example.

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by zozbot234 »

girvo wrote: post #18
wg0 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about this: https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/coding-pla... How does it compare to z.ai GLM?

I am! GLM-5 (which is all I have access to on it, not the newer GLM-5.1) is slightly better for the coding tasks I'm using them for, in terms of being more accurate slightly more often. Both are very good, and very close to one another in practice Qwen3.5-plus is also quite excellent: all of these models feel pretty similar to Sonnet 4.5 in practice, though GLM-5 can have "Opus" like reasoning through surprisingly lo…

Qwen 3.5 is great and openly available, but it seems that Qwen 3.6 will only release smaller models (TBD, but the ~300B size seems to be excluded already).

Re: MiniMax M2.7 Is Now Open Source

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Post by zozbot234 »

fifthace wrote: post #13
avaer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the majority view.

If rumours OpenAI are doing 70% margins on inference and Anthropic doing 30% margins, then open weights models hosted on clouds happy with 10% margins increase competition and decrease cost. I’m game, like most. Much easier compliance with data sovereign concerns too.

> OpenAI are doing 70% margins on inference and Anthropic doing 30% margins

That difference is actually pretty surprising. Is Claude that much more expensive to host? The end-user pricing seems to be pretty similar, or better for OpenAI.

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