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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by tux3 »

rowanG077 wrote: post #6
jstanley wrote: post #2

> Every time I hear from Amodei or Altman that I could lose my job, I don’t think “oh, ok, then allow me pay you $20/month so that I can adapt to these uncertain times that have fallen upon my destiny by chance.” I think: “you, for fuck’s sake, you are doing this.” And I consider myself a pretty levelheaded guy, so imagine what not-so-levelheaded people think. Conversely, The Loudest Alarm Is Probably False[0]. If th…

I also find it so weird to play this on the person of Altman or Amodei. These are basically fungible public faces. If they die this very moment AI progress wouldn't halt. I don't think it would even be impacted. If anything you should be mad at governments not legislating if you are anti AI.

The ship is going where it is because of the captain. If they die this very moment, the ship will not go back.

And yet,

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by thrance »

tao_oat wrote: post #3

The author seems to have some cognitive dissonance. For a piece saying that you cannot justify violence, there sure seems to be an awful lot of justifying violence in here.

You should probably read up on cognitive dissonance, because this ain't it. Here's what the author actually wrote:

> Nothing that Altman could say justifies violence against him. This is an undeniable truth. But unfortunately, violence might still ensue. I hope not, but I guess we are seeing what appears to be the first cases.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by ArchieScrivener »

TMWNN wrote: post #19
ArchieScrivener wrote: post #7

This is nonsense, promoted to top of front page without any comments. How about all the rock stars killed over the years, or grocery store clerks shot and stabbed to death? EVERYTHING is met with violence because that's the nature of aggression no matter the impetus, it doesn't require a justifiable reason, only belief in the outcome of its use. Sam Altman having a Molotov cocktail thrown at his house after Ronan wro…

>How about all the rock stars killed over the years With the exception of rappers, most musicians who die early die from overdoses, suicides, and such (the "27 club" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club >), as opposed to being murdered.

That's why I said killed not died.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by keiferski »

nate8bit wrote: post #13

A lot of the magic of LLMs, I think, has been tarnished by these CEOs and other FAANG companies. It might have been a far more interesting world if they didn't bring "AI" or "AGI" into the conversation in such a politicized way.

It’s the inevitable result of valuations based on hype and future potential, not business fundamentals. It incentivizes companies to be as hyperbolic as possible with their pitches and marketing.

Cryptocurrency is an interesting technology with some niche use cases, but it was pitched as replacing the entire money system. LLMs are extremely useful for certain types of work, but are pitched as AGI ending all work. Etc.

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Post by sigmoid10 »

nate8bit wrote: post #13

A lot of the magic of LLMs, I think, has been tarnished by these CEOs and other FAANG companies. It might have been a far more interesting world if they didn't bring "AI" or "AGI" into the conversation in such a politicized way.

Unfortunately, this is the only way to get enough venture capital to support the compute needs for this kind of technology. Who is going to spend hundreds on billions on a vague idea without regular claims that this will upend the existing economy in six to twelve months and whoever owns it will become unfathomably rich? And despite all the actual developments we have seen going against that idea, investors keep falling for it. This will continue until it crashes, one way or another. The question is how long it can build up and how deep the fall will be. LLMs will certainly change the economy in the end, but so did mortgage backed securities.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by MrOrelliOReilly »

> People hate AI so much that they are prone to attribute to it everything that’s going wrong in their lives, regardless of the truth. That’s why they mix real arguments, like data theft, with fake ones, like the water stuff. Employers do it, too. Most layoffs are not caused by AI, but it’s the perfect excuse to do something that’s otherwise socially reprehensible.

Pertinent quote. A lot of AI discourse goes in circles trying to evaluate the truthiness of every individual complaint about AI. Obviously it's good to ensure claims are factual! But I believe it misses a broader point that people are resistant to AI, often out of fear, and are grasping for strategies to exert control. Or at least that's my read of it.

Refuting individual claims won't make a difference if the underlying anxieties aren't addressed (e.g., if I lose my job will I be compensated, will we protect ourselves against x-risk, etc).

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by azan_ »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #9

The worst part is that AI's first casualties are jobs that no one really asked to kill. AI is killing writing, music, art, and coding. I've done all of these voluntarily because I simply enjoyed them Meanwhile the parts of my existence that I actually hate - dealing with customer support, handling government forms, dealing with taxes - is far from being automated by AI Look at Suno. Fantastic tool, but where was the…

I'm sure people working in customer support or tax advisors would have different take of what should be killed by AI and what should be spared.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by bluegatty »

'Rogue super intelligence' is the most ridiculous sci-fi nonsense of the AI hype, worse than the pro AI hype.

AI will be 'dangerous' because humans will use it irresponsibly, and that's all of the risk.

- giving it too much trust, being lazy, improper guards and accidents - leveraging it for negative things (black hats, military targetting) - states and governments using it as instrument of control etc.

That's it.

Stop worrying about the ghost in the machine and start worrying about crappy and evil businesses and governing institutions.

Democracy, vigilance, laws, responsibility are what we need, in all things.

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