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US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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> No EPA, no federal minimum wage, no forced integration, reduced civil rights, only direct interstate commerce being regulated. States can still do civil rights etc.

A quick look at our history shows why this was important at a federal level.

Another quick look at your history also tells you why a strong federal government has downsides. Life is full of compromises, but I like me some subsidiarity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick look at our history shows why this was important at a federal level.

Another quick look at your history also tells you why a strong federal government has downsides. Life is full of compromises, but I like me some subsidiarity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity

Seems to have worked rather well though.

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Probably because a- people can tell, and b- you sell more to already drunk people, so getting them drunk sooner is better. So maybe the answer is water down the shots of your obviously drunk customers.

Ah I didn't realise methanol had the same psychological effect. I thought it was just tasteless poison.

I've never tasted it but from what I remember from high school chemistry class, it certainly smelled close enough to other alcohols, so I assume it would taste close enough as well.

TBH, I also had to do my own bit of googling because I barely drink alcohol to begin with, but it does look like "at the start", it's not very distinguishable from ethanol in taste and in effect.

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The article is devoid of any meaningful legal language. It is important to note that this ruling applies only to the states of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi as the fifth circuit is the court that decided this. That said, when parties bring cases to other federal circuit courts, they may cite this case. Frequently, circuit decisions can impact other district courts decisions.

The Fifth Circuit tells us how the Supremes will vote.

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Distillation of spirits is a necessary requirement for life on the Aramco compound in Saudi Arabia. Outside the compound, the locally-distilled "sid" is on offer. Both varieties have been available for a half-century with no reports of poisoning.

How does Texas law affect the possibility of distilling in a Saudi compound? What’s the jurisdiction there?

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As tourists to sketchy places in Asia discovered, methanol poisoning is a real risk, even from large scale distillation. It is the quality control that matters. Illegal stills make quality control impossible, so legalisation and government certified testing can make it safe.

However, this ruling is not about alcohol, it is about dissolving Federal authority exercised via the trade and commerce clause of the Constitution.

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I always thought the reason was that badly distilled drinks were dangerous.

Meh, home distilled spirits are everywhere in Romania. I drank many many times home distilled spirits. They are not that dangerous.

This reads as authenticity Eastern European.

A colleague from the region explained to me that if the booze is cheap, you just make sure you drink plenty of good booze too. Blocks the metabolic pathway.

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As tourists to sketchy places in Asia discovered, methanol poisoning is a real risk, even from large scale distillation. It is the quality control that matters. Illegal stills make quality control impossible, so legalisation and government certified testing can make it safe. However, this ruling is not about alcohol, it is about dissolving Federal authority exercised via the trade and commerce clause of the Constitut…

> Illegal stills make quality control impossible, so legalisation and government certified testing can make it safe.

Another way to increase safety is to reduce the availability of illegal stills without quality control by enforcing the ban.

(Anyone who thinks otherwise presumably also thinks all hard drugs should be legalized since this presumably wouldn't lead to an increase in consumption.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quick look at your history also tells you why a strong federal government has downsides. Life is full of compromises, but I like me some subsidiarity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity

Seems to have worked rather well though.

If it works so well, perhaps delegate authority even more centrally. To the UN or so?

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> The much bigger danger for home distilling is fire, as you have open flames and combustible vapor. This would suggest that using induction heating would be significantly safer and have the possibility of precise temperature control. Is there any reason why home distilling does/does not do this?

Electric heating does reduce the risk of fire, yes, and some of us do it. (It’s also just a lot easier than a turkey fryer.) I rigged a water heater element up for this purpose. (Technically there actually isn’t temperature control in distilling, the temperature is just the boiling point of the mixture, which changes over time as the mixture changes from distillation, but you do control the heat input which effects t…

> Like tenish gallons (~40L).

Ah, that would do it. I was thinking this was like beer homebrewing and would be around a gallon.

Thanks for the info.

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