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Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by razingeden »

RickJWagner wrote: post #40
neilv wrote: post #23

Besides external PR, does anyone know how this affects internal morale? Some of the earlier Red Hat people I knew would not be OK with working on weapons systems even under the most legitimate circumstances. And they'd be much more opposed to collaborating with fascist regimes. And I think horrified by the idea of shoveling AI slop and grifter hype into life&death decisions. Of course the tech industry makeup has cha…

Former Red Hatter here. People who use terms like ‘fascist regime’ don’t get consideration. That’s like someone on the other side referring to ‘unprincipled savages’. Name calling just doesn’t win. Maybe it makes the name caller feel better, but it loses the audience.

> People who use terms like ‘fascist regime’ don’t get consideration.

Are they referring to IBM, or?

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by BoneShard »

scotty79 wrote: post #62
mmh0000 wrote: post #47

It's weird to me that this is "suddenly" an issue. It has been known for decades that Red Hat Inc's largest customer is the U.S. Army[1]. It's a very large part of the reason why Red Hat took over development of SELinux and made it on by default in their distros. And the Army isn't exactly known for handing out cupcakes... [1] https://unixdigest.com/includes/files/Army-RedHat-Whitepaper... [1] "Red Hat’s partnership…

Suddenly war and associated killings stopped being theoretical. Bunch of people that used to be as dangerous (in practice) to civilization as paintballers started actually using real weapons on real people. Military in peacetime is cosplaying (larping?) war. So there's little resistance to aiding them in their silliness. When they actually start to bomb people, it's another story. They deal was, we aid you in your pr…

haha, larping, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni...

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by inhumantsar »

scotty79 wrote: post #62
mmh0000 wrote: post #47

It's weird to me that this is "suddenly" an issue. It has been known for decades that Red Hat Inc's largest customer is the U.S. Army[1]. It's a very large part of the reason why Red Hat took over development of SELinux and made it on by default in their distros. And the Army isn't exactly known for handing out cupcakes... [1] https://unixdigest.com/includes/files/Army-RedHat-Whitepaper... [1] "Red Hat’s partnership…

Suddenly war and associated killings stopped being theoretical. Bunch of people that used to be as dangerous (in practice) to civilization as paintballers started actually using real weapons on real people. Military in peacetime is cosplaying (larping?) war. So there's little resistance to aiding them in their silliness. When they actually start to bomb people, it's another story. They deal was, we aid you in your pr…

I'm sure all the people who died in Iraq and Afghanistan would be glad to know it was all just pretend.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by number6 »

palmotea wrote: post #69
thayne wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't even that new. Part of the motivation for building autonomous nuclear response programs during the cold war was specifically to remove accountability, and guilt, from human operators. But AI does bring it to a new level.

> Part of the motivation for building autonomous nuclear response programs during the cold war was specifically to remove accountability, and guilt, from human operators. Details please. Because I can see the reality being most likely an attempt to avoid conflict by solidifying MAD, by trying to prevent a human from vetoing a second-strike.

At least it is the plot of a lot of movies of this era: Dr. stragelove, wargames, colossus.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #48
gillesjacobs wrote: post #7

https://web.archive.org/web/20260402155236/https://www.redha... Archive URL to original paper

It’s low latency for realtime. Discussion of these things have been public for twenty years since Red hat released MRG, and this is a conspiracy theory website.

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Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by TiredOfLife »

Qem wrote: post #5
nickdothutton wrote: post #3

Better to have smart bombs than dumb ones. Or rather, better to have 1 smart bomb than 1000 dumb ones spread across an entire city in order to pick off the particular building, vehicle, or person you want.

Specially AI Hallucination bombs, that hit a park named "Police Park", because it thinks it's killing policemen[1], or a children school with Shahed in the name[2], because it thinks It has something to do with drones. [1] https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2029575052535173364 [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/6/elementary-school-in...

That is target selection and has nothing to do with dumb vs smart bombs.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by tosti »

creatonez wrote: post #58
frumplestlatz wrote: post #36

> With things like the genocide in Gaza ... Population: ~2,050,000 Density: 15,455.8/sq mi Words have meaning, and their emotional force derives from that meaning. The knowing misuse of a term like “genocide” for its emotional force is manipulative sophistry.

Nice genocide denial you got there. The Gaza Genocide is a verified fact. It has been recognized by a United Nations special committee and a commission of inquiry, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel, International Federation for Human Rights, and almost all genocide scholars. What has happened? Mass killings,…

The jihad is strong in this one.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by scotty79 »

BoneShard wrote: post #72
scotty79 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly war and associated killings stopped being theoretical. Bunch of people that used to be as dangerous (in practice) to civilization as paintballers started actually using real weapons on real people. Military in peacetime is cosplaying (larping?) war. So there's little resistance to aiding them in their silliness. When they actually start to bomb people, it's another story. They deal was, we aid you in your pr…

haha, larping, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni...

only a tiny fraction of US military is engaged it this kinetic stupidity for only tiny fraction of time, the rest is larping

US military is first and foremost a welfare program for people who chose to not perform any useful economic activity.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by scotty79 »

inhumantsar wrote: post #73
scotty79 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly war and associated killings stopped being theoretical. Bunch of people that used to be as dangerous (in practice) to civilization as paintballers started actually using real weapons on real people. Military in peacetime is cosplaying (larping?) war. So there's little resistance to aiding them in their silliness. When they actually start to bomb people, it's another story. They deal was, we aid you in your pr…

I'm sure all the people who died in Iraq and Afghanistan would be glad to know it was all just pretend.

It's what happens when you stop just playing pretend even briefly, same goes for current debacle in Iran.

No reasonable person tolerates this behavior. When military does that it immediately loses leniency of smart people.

Re: The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet

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Post by frumplestlatz »

creatonez wrote: post #58
frumplestlatz wrote: post #36

> With things like the genocide in Gaza ... Population: ~2,050,000 Density: 15,455.8/sq mi Words have meaning, and their emotional force derives from that meaning. The knowing misuse of a term like “genocide” for its emotional force is manipulative sophistry.

Nice genocide denial you got there. The Gaza Genocide is a verified fact. It has been recognized by a United Nations special committee and a commission of inquiry, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel, International Federation for Human Rights, and almost all genocide scholars. What has happened? Mass killings,…

Yes, the knowing misuse of a term like “genocide” for its emotional force is manipulative sophistry, and that's what's occurring in those examples.
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