So AI company buys devs again, but devs are dead
They want to kill the last good ones
Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
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Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#102Incredible how many people are perfectly fine working for a company making AI powered murder bots.
This is a VC site. Morality or changing the world for the better is window dressing on earning as much money as possible and damn anyone who gets in the way. Morality is only good in as much as it’s good for business to be seen as moral. Money people have been majority running things for over 2 decades at least but the mythos lives on.
Killing bad people is changing the world for the better
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#103FTA: > In 2022, we built Tart, which became the most popular virtualization solution for Apple Silicon, along with several other tools along the way. from Tart's github: > [Tart is for] macOS and Linux VMs on Apple Silicon to use in CI and other automations My (naive?) hypothesis is this kind of expertise is why OpenAI chose to acquihire.
Not to sell Tart short (it is quite good), but it's "just" a wrapper around Virtualization.framework with a few extra pieces. This is the kind of thing that Codex driven by experts _should_ be able to build very easily.
Agreed. The benefit from not having anyone else or any partial (container) solutions in the computing chain is huge for secure isolation. Getting rid of the intermediary solves a universe of possible problems.
That said, I've been free-riding on tart because they've often surfaced issues I needed to address. Free riders like me are possibly the reason these companies can't make their own way.
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#104Congratulations! Can you talk a bit more about your journey without raising funds? Also what does HN think of that path today when trying to launch a new AI startup?
Thank you! Full journey is too long for a comment here. It was hard and I was lucky with my previous pre-IPO gigs at Airbnb and Twitter so I had some bootstrap fund. In retrospective a dev tools startup in 2017 with no network and no VC support was a crazy idea but I was young and didn’t think thought too much. Then it was long 8 years of raw work and constant questioning this choice. Then finally a third component:…
That is good advice!
I am too late for that as I am full time but also lucky to have had a previous exit.
I am planning to go the VC route this time, because the problem I am going after feels VC size.
However I feel bootstrap or small F&F round gives you more flexibility when it comes to exits.
Congrats again!
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#105Note that this is fundamentally different from the Astral acquisition. At the end of their announcement, they stated: > Cirrus CI will shut down effective Monday, June 1, 2026. And earlier in the article: > Joining OpenAI allows us to extend the mission we started with Cirrus Labs: building new kinds of tooling and environments that make engineers more effective, for both human engineers and agentic engineers. It isn…
This is kind-of neat too, at least in the near term: > In the coming weeks, we will relicense all of our source-available tools, including Tart, Vetu and Orchard under a more permissive license. We have also stopped charging licensing fees for them.
This is making my current work 100 times easier. Very welcome timing.
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to sell Tart short (it is quite good), but it's "just" a wrapper around Virtualization.framework with a few extra pieces. This is the kind of thing that Codex driven by experts _should_ be able to build very easily.
interesting that was what i thought this was, it keeps boggling my mind the sums being paid for what really could be built by experienced devs on their own teams
Short term: they don’t need devs to build it, it’s already built
Long term: they now have experienced dev(s?) to build their next products and features
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#107Did anyone else think this was Cirrus Logic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Logic
For a hot second yes, and I even use the modern one's tart cli
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#108As a tart cli user, I'd love to know more about their "more open" licensing of that particular project that they call out that will follow the merger. That said, I find their aqui-hire by OpenAI disappointing for a number of (mostly personal) reasons. However, I wish them the best regardless.
Genuinely curious on why I'm getting down voted for the above comment
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#109Note that this is fundamentally different from the Astral acquisition. At the end of their announcement, they stated: > Cirrus CI will shut down effective Monday, June 1, 2026. And earlier in the article: > Joining OpenAI allows us to extend the mission we started with Cirrus Labs: building new kinds of tooling and environments that make engineers more effective, for both human engineers and agentic engineers. It isn…
This is kind-of neat too, at least in the near term: > In the coming weeks, we will relicense all of our source-available tools, including Tart, Vetu and Orchard under a more permissive license. We have also stopped charging licensing fees for them.
This is awesome because I flippin love tart.
Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are your plans for tart licensing going forward? https://github.com/cirruslabs/tart/blob/main/LICENSE https://tart.run/licensing/
You’ll be pleasantly surprised. Updates in the coming weeks. > In the coming weeks, we will relicense all of our source-available tools, including Tart, Vetu and Orchard under a more permissive license. We have also stopped charging licensing fees for them.
MIT or Apache2 or FreeBSD licenses would be preferable in my case, but GPLv2 or even AGPLv3 (if you have to) would work.
If you’re taking requests…