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We should go as far as to preemptively ban and sanction any POTUS who says "I'm going to pardon these people before I leave office". There's no reason to say that unless you know they're actively committing federal crimes in the present day .
Not true. Liz Cheney hasn’t committed any crimes (as far as we know).
Are you able to track repeat pardons of the same offender? If not you have a bug. https://pardonned.com/pardon/details/adriana-isabel-camberos... Adriana Camberos was in fact pardoned twice. In 2021, convicted fraudster Adriana Camberos was freed from prison when President Trump commuted her sentence. Rather than taking advantage of that second chance, Ms. Camberos returned to crime. She was convicted again in 2024 i…
Interesting story, but I do not see her name in the list of pardons and commutations on the source website twice. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/commutations-granted-presiden... She only shows up here https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemency-grants-president-don...
We should at least ban the "preemptive" pardon if not all pardons. Pardon means forgiveness for a specific convicted crime, not a means to grant blanket immunity.
We should go as far as to preemptively ban and sanction any POTUS who says "I'm going to pardon these people before I leave office". There's no reason to say that unless you know they're actively committing federal crimes in the present day .
There are reasons. For example, you feel the justice system is going to be misused against them. Protection against future witch hunts basically.
I don't think this is what's happening here, and trump is on record talking very explicitly about weaponising the state against his enemies himself, but it's probably an excuse that will be used.
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I've often wondered what would happen if a president explicitly offers to pardon anybody who murders members of Congress. Would they settle on reigning in the pardon power with an amendment? We're sort of already there. A lot of the Jan 6 rioters were openly trying to murder congressmen. The fact they weren't successful isn't super reassuring.
Like most political arguments, if you listen carefully; those who advocate for or against pardons, only want them to go one way. A pardon is only a protection against a 'vengeful administration' if that administration is not your party. Pardons are only a miscarriage of justice if those pardoned don't share your ideology.
Not everyone making a political argument is engaging in cynical tribalism. Believe it or not, some people do actually believe in things.
We should at least ban the "preemptive" pardon if not all pardons. Pardon means forgiveness for a specific convicted crime, not a means to grant blanket immunity.
There are two types here: (1) Pardons for crimes not yet committed. (2) Pardons for crimes committed, but not yet convicted. The first type will allow the pardoned to commit a crime in the future for free, which obviously should not be allowed. The second should be allowed if we have this pardon system at all. The second type became a political necessity, for example to protect Liz Cheney from a vengeful administrati…
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I've often wondered what would happen if a president explicitly offers to pardon anybody who murders members of Congress. Would they settle on reigning in the pardon power with an amendment? We're sort of already there. A lot of the Jan 6 rioters were openly trying to murder congressmen. The fact they weren't successful isn't super reassuring.
Like most political arguments, if you listen carefully; those who advocate for or against pardons, only want them to go one way. A pardon is only a protection against a 'vengeful administration' if that administration is not your party. Pardons are only a miscarriage of justice if those pardoned don't share your ideology.
If that means a ton of literal insurrectionists go free, that's fine with me. We elected someone precisely to do that. It's on the voters if we elected someone who was literally treasonous himself.
I hope the insurrectionists take the opportunity to get on with their lives. I gather that quite a few have already been banned for other crimes, and that's too bad.
I don't want prison to be vengeance. I want prison to make us all safer. I'd like the President to take a lot of leeway in finding people who are going to be productive citizens if they were given that gift.
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I've often wondered what would happen if a president explicitly offers to pardon anybody who murders members of Congress. Would they settle on reigning in the pardon power with an amendment? We're sort of already there. A lot of the Jan 6 rioters were openly trying to murder congressmen. The fact they weren't successful isn't super reassuring.
Like most political arguments, if you listen carefully; those who advocate for or against pardons, only want them to go one way. A pardon is only a protection against a 'vengeful administration' if that administration is not your party. Pardons are only a miscarriage of justice if those pardoned don't share your ideology.
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We should go as far as to preemptively ban and sanction any POTUS who says "I'm going to pardon these people before I leave office". There's no reason to say that unless you know they're actively committing federal crimes in the present day .
>There's no reason to say that unless you know they're actively committing federal crimes in the present day. There are reasons. For example, you feel the justice system is going to be misused against them. Protection against future witch hunts basically. I don't think this is what's happening here, and trump is on record talking very explicitly about weaponising the state against his enemies himself, but it's probab…
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-... > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States…
Ford did real damage that day.