„Agentic commerce means handing your credit card to a Large Language Model” - this is simply not true. LLMs/Agents will never get any credit/debit card details, they will be just an interface.
The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#42To lie requires recognition of the truth and an intention to deceive. LLM’s don’t have such abilities. They are systems that generate plausible sequences of symbols based on training inputs, alignments, reinforcement, and inference. These systems don’t know or care what truth is and therefore cannot lie. It’s already bad. I’m not looking forward to the future. These systems are terrible. It’s a future without people…
Ill-thought out logic.
The company that deployed the LLM is lying to you. The people who made that decision are the ones who are culpable.
We both agree that it’s terrible.
I think it’s important to have an enforcement mechanism to force companies to do what they are responsible for doing. An Anti-Kafka Law, so to speak.
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#43„Agentic commerce means handing your credit card to a Large Language Model” - this is simply not true. LLMs/Agents will never get any credit/debit card details, they will be just an interface.
Full quote:
> People are very excited about “agentic commerce”. Agentic commerce means handing your credit card to a Large Language Model, giving it access to the Internet, telling it to buy something, and calling it in a loop until something exciting happens.
I think you're confusing this for the other side of things. The article talks about how some people already use OpenClaw and the variations, give them access to bunch of stuff including cards to purchase things (sometimes virtual and limited cards), I think that's what the article talks about when they say "agentic commerce".
Obviously a intentional simplification in the language the author uses, but I think it gets the point across at least.
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#44Don't agree with this. LLM when it came out, was perfect as an interface between a system and a normal human. So many people call customer support for issues they could in theory fix themselves. If that LLM system can understand me well enough, its an okay interface. In worst case you have to escalate anyway. My mum actually told me that she talked to some AI. And yes normal systems are also not correct often enough.…
> My mum actually told me that she talked to some AI.
You have no argument here. Make an argument then we can talk. Right now it’s going in circles.
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#45„Agentic commerce means handing your credit card to a Large Language Model” - this is simply not true. LLMs/Agents will never get any credit/debit card details, they will be just an interface.
Millions of users, and you think exactly zero of them will hand over their credit card info?
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#46To lie requires recognition of the truth and an intention to deceive. LLM’s don’t have such abilities. They are systems that generate plausible sequences of symbols based on training inputs, alignments, reinforcement, and inference. These systems don’t know or care what truth is and therefore cannot lie. It’s already bad. I’m not looking forward to the future. These systems are terrible. It’s a future without people…
Ill-thought out logic. The company that deployed the LLM is lying to you. The people who made that decision are the ones who are culpable. We both agree that it’s terrible. I think it’s important to have an enforcement mechanism to force companies to do what they are responsible for doing. An Anti-Kafka Law, so to speak.
An important distinction to make, and I whole heartedly agree.
It’s not LLMs replacing workers, it’s people. People who have a lot of money and don’t sell their labour for a paycheque. And the systems that compel them to such actions.
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#47„Agentic commerce means handing your credit card to a Large Language Model” - this is simply not true. LLMs/Agents will never get any credit/debit card details, they will be just an interface.
Millions of users, and you think exactly zero of them will hand over their credit card info?
my wife is one, so definitely not zero (she uses cards from privacy.com so there’s that…)
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#48I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?" I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books. They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly ev…
You might just overhype this blog. I read one of his last week? and didn't like it that much. I read this one despite it because its quite high on hn for whatever reason. I don't think everything is lies and i don't like how he thinks a LLM is just some bullshit machine. Its also waaaay to early to even understand were this is going. We as humans have never had that much compute and used it this particular way. It co…
The author uses a lot of words and references to make critical conclusions that they do disclaim aren't expert.
Rather than dismissive, I see it as effort intensive. The conclusions can be negative, but they've spawned so much discussion which i think is great.
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#49I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?" I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books. They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly ev…
maybe it means they were never really as smart as you thought? Not meant to be snarky. It's been two decades now since my first wide-eyed entry into the workforce, moving for new opportunities, meeting new people. it's been great. There's a lot of smart people out there. I also realize that many people I seen as smart had more access to more content then i did. i still appreciated their sharing , it was enlightening…
You might be right but they used to read much more and our arguments used to be deeper. The changes I'm seeing in them are highly correlated to their increased use of AI.
Maybe it's something like that AI allows them to indulge in their shallowness/laziness by giving them the impression that they're not doing that.
Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances
#50I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?" I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books. They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly ev…
You might just overhype this blog. I read one of his last week? and didn't like it that much. I read this one despite it because its quite high on hn for whatever reason. I don't think everything is lies and i don't like how he thinks a LLM is just some bullshit machine. Its also waaaay to early to even understand were this is going. We as humans have never had that much compute and used it this particular way. It co…
I wasn't even hyping it though. I shared it among friends to spark discussion. Sure, there's some hyperbole, but I found it thought provoking.
(FYI, I didn't downvote your comment)