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France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by corndoge »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #4
ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #3

It is a step into the right direction. Over time, more and more work is going to be done by AI though. At some point, it will be unthinkably slow and expensive to let humans work on anything. To do *that* locally, you need GPUs and LLMs. How will Europe solve these two?

No-one needs LLMs. AI has no value.

At this point in the broader dialogue your position is roughly as interesting as flat earth. Only bored people are going to bother replying and no one is taking you seriously. Don't do yourself a disservice by clinging to this.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by GardenLetter27 »

casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

Yeah, he became American, just like Einstein, Fermi, Von Neumann, etc.

There's a big lesson for Europe there, everyone super productive and able to move to the US does so at the first opportunity.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by bogeholm »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #12
casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

Yeah, he became American, just like Einstein, Fermi, Von Neumann, etc. There's a big lesson for Europe there, everyone super productive and able to move to the US does so at the first opportunity.

Yeah, um…

That might have changed somewhat, recently.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by jll29 »

casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

Linus Torvalds created Linux as a student in Helsinki, Finnland. He later took U.S. citizenship and lives in Portland, Oregon, TTBOMK.

Now on some level, the question makes less sense, because Linux as we know it now is an international proejct that thousands of developers from dozens of countries collaborated on. But perhaps most would agree that Torvalds, who serves as main integrator, has more say than others regarding the directions of Linux, as long as he is alive.

The open source property of Linux is more important to the question which OS a country's government should adopt: corporate systems are hard to scrutinize, whereas open source systems you can inspect and compile yourself, and it is a wise move of the French government to go in that direction. It will also save a lot of money, but that should not be the primary motive.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by skillina »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #12
casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

Yeah, he became American, just like Einstein, Fermi, Von Neumann, etc. There's a big lesson for Europe there, everyone super productive and able to move to the US does so at the first opportunity.

You might want to do a bit more reading on why European intellectuals migrated en masse to the US in the 1930s.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by mirpa »

casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

It is open source. Many companies which contribute to it are American, but nobody from America can tell you what you can or cannot do with it - unlike Microsoft or Apple with their proprietary OS being forced by US government.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by drivingmenuts »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #12
casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

Yeah, he became American, just like Einstein, Fermi, Von Neumann, etc. There's a big lesson for Europe there, everyone super productive and able to move to the US does so at the first opportunity.

When the US is being run by relatively sane people, it's great.

That is not the situation at the moment.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by rzerowan »

mirpa wrote: post #17
casey2 wrote: post #6

But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?

It is open source. Many companies which contribute to it are American, but nobody from America can tell you what you can or cannot do with it - unlike Microsoft or Apple with their proprietary OS being forced by US government.

Funnily enough there is some level of control that can be exerted by the US gov via the distros (at least the major ones - see legalese restrictions on Redhat/Ubuntu etc when you want to download , stating the various US gov laws/sanctions that they follow) and also via the kernel - i think some time back Russian kernel maintainers were removed.

So Open source it may be , however there are still pressure points that can be used. I believe this is one of the main reasons RISCV foundation moved to Europe.

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