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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by dang »

WaryByDesign wrote: post #489
mixmastamyk wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that came about without them spending anything. So the extra is just to fix bugs and do integration work. StarOffice (LibreOffice ancestor) existed in the 90s—I used it and it was fine for government work. File storage? Cheap by Y2K as well.

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You posted this text in 5 separate places. Worse, you edited 7 previous comments by gutting their original text and replacing them with this same tantrum. That's abusive.

I'm not going to ban you for this because everyone goes on tilt sometimes, but please don't pull a trick like that on HN again.

I've restored the text of the 7 edited comments to what it was before you vandalized them. I've also canceled the downvotes on those posts because I agree with you that the downvotes were unfair. (At least I think I do - I didn't read them closely and don't know the context.) I hope the latter feels at least a little bit like a good faith gesture, because that's how I'm intending it.

(The 5 comments that only ever said "[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}" remain downvoted and flagged since obviously they were against the site guidelines.)

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by dang »

earthnail wrote: post #502
WaryByDesign wrote: post #485

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I've never seen a user replace all their comments with "[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}" making it impossible for others to read their original comments. If this now becomes a trend I feel like there may be a need to change the rules around editing.

I agree. Sometimes people replace their comment text with "[deleted]" or ".", which is already abusive when the comment has replies. But this is the worst case I've seen of someone rage-editing to gut a thread.

I've restored the penultimate content of each of the posts that they overwrote that way. There remain 5 (including the GP) which just say "Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted [etc.]" but that is because they were posted that way and never actually said anything else—which is a whole other level of abuse in its own right.

I've replied to the user here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47726912.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by dang »

atherton94027 wrote: post #525
earthnail wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a user replace all their comments with "[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}" making it impossible for others to read their original comments. If this now becomes a trend I feel like there may be a need to change the rules around editing.

@dang is it something on your radar? Lots of people do this on Reddit and it makes some threads unusable.

@dang doesn't work - I only saw this by chance. If you want guaranteed delivery you need to email hn@ycombinator.com!

I agree that keeping the threads readable is a priority, and if we have to we'll change the rules and/or standard practices. Hopefully we won't have to though.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by atherton94027 »

dang wrote: post #633
atherton94027 wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@dang is it something on your radar? Lots of people do this on Reddit and it makes some threads unusable.

@dang doesn't work - I only saw this by chance. If you want guaranteed delivery you need to email hn@ycombinator.com! I agree that keeping the threads readable is a priority, and if we have to we'll change the rules and/or standard practices. Hopefully we won't have to though.

Ah I appreciate the answer — I'll do that next time. Thank you for moderating btw, you've been doing a great job!

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by laughing_man »

tombert wrote: post #589
barney54 wrote: post #554

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I don’t think it’s a question that Linux has more jank. I recently installed a fedora spin on a laptop that came with regular Fedora installed originally and the WiFi didn’t work. That’s some janky stuff right there.

I've had wifi drivers not work with fresh installs of Windows as well, so that's hardly a unique Linux thing. I've also had to reboot Windows into special modes because apparently a driver from a Broadcom WiFi card was "unsigned", so I had to disable the check for that. I've also had registry corruptions, and I've had unprompted updates brick my hard drive because Windows Update is a terrible piece of software, becau…

I haven't had a Widows driver not work in decades.

On the other hand, Linux doesn't try to copy my home directory to RedHat's cloud, or force some AI assistant that I don't want onto me.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by steve1977 »

nonameiguess wrote: post #607
dschep wrote: post #526

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> "theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro" SUSE is a German company, so probably nothing to even develop.

It was a pretty amusing comment to me. Not only has SUSE been around for over 30 years, it was the very first enterprise Linux and it already has MDM tooling in the multi-Linux manager, repository mirroring tool, open-build system, Kiwi, edge image builder. Everything to build out a full enterprise suite of servers, workstations, customized kiosk OSes, already there. I'm more of the "give me my terminal or give me de…

> France doesn't need to roll its own shit unless it just wants to for the hell of it.

Which, knowing France, is not unlikely.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by tpxl »

satvikpendem wrote: post #336
pjmlp wrote: post #299

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Playing Linux or Windows native games, because that is the whole issue, it is hardly any different than asserting there are Linux games when they are actually Amiga games running with UAE. Those games running on Proton are still produced on a Windows factory.

I wonder if there actually are any native modern Linux games, I don't recall any.

Slay the Spire 1 (Java) and 2 (Godot). Ironically, StS1 ran better under wine than natively.

Anyhow, there are plenty of native games, we just don't notice, because running them tends to not be any harder than running Windows games these days.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by yangm97 »

tombert wrote: post #589
barney54 wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s a question that Linux has more jank. I recently installed a fedora spin on a laptop that came with regular Fedora installed originally and the WiFi didn’t work. That’s some janky stuff right there.

I've had wifi drivers not work with fresh installs of Windows as well, so that's hardly a unique Linux thing. I've also had to reboot Windows into special modes because apparently a driver from a Broadcom WiFi card was "unsigned", so I had to disable the check for that. I've also had registry corruptions, and I've had unprompted updates brick my hard drive because Windows Update is a terrible piece of software, becau…

As much as I am a nixOS user myself, I think regular users should be directed to use atomic, immutable distros (as is the case with most of the distros growing in popularity) because of the robust update system along with the ease of rollback should something go wrong. Regular distros (really comes down to the package manager of choice) are much more brittle, perhaps even worse than Windows Update.
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