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Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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avs733 wrote: post #206
velominati wrote: post #25

It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. Separately; Sam's belief that "AI has to be democratized; power cannot be too concentrated." rings incredibly hollow. OpenAI has abandoned its open source roots. It is concentrating wealth - and thus power - into fewer hands. Not more.

If we are going to say violence isn’t okay then it is important that we be clear about the boundaries of what we define as violence. Theft is a nice analogy here. The default model of theft is property crime but the largest type of theft is wage theft. If we fret about violence done against individuals but not violence against groups our attention is going to end up steered in a narrow direction.

> wage theft

Like when you poop on the clock?

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Post by rozal »

klik99 wrote: post #49

Genuinely surprised at the extreme comments against sama here. I don’t think he’s a good steward of the technology, but I don’t think violence is funny or justified. I also don’t think it’s justified for him to use it to say that a negative article about him is correlated to this event. Seems to imply that an “incendiary article” led to this and that criticism is tantamount to calls to violence. He drives the convers…

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Post by joecasson »

Tyrubias wrote: post #103

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That’s a very dismissive point of view to the seriousness of the situation. He had a Molotov cocktail thrown at his home in the immediate aftermath of an article that painted him in a negative light. The two may not be connected but seem to be.

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Post by sneak »

minimaxir wrote: post #127
velominati wrote: post #25

It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. Separately; Sam's belief that "AI has to be democratized; power cannot be too concentrated." rings incredibly hollow. OpenAI has abandoned its open source roots. It is concentrating wealth - and thus power - into fewer hands. Not more.

I didn't think Hacker News needed an explicit "calls for violence are bad" guideline but the comments here have shown otherwise.

I agree with the idea that calls for violence are bad; however most people in the world are more than happy to support both violence and calls for same against people and organizations they believe to be sufficiently significant threats.

Are calls for violence against Hitler during WW2 bad? How about the Japanese imperial navy?

How about calls for violence against Putin during his war of aggression?

This isn’t rhetoric; I’m just pointing out that it isn’t as black and white as people seem to make it. (It is black and white for me, as I’m with Asimov on the matter, but it isn’t for most humans.)

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Post by DoctorOetker »

johnfn wrote: post #163
BloondAndDoom wrote: post #155

Can someone help me to understand why OpenAI and Anthropic talks as if the future of humanity controlled by them? We have very strong open (weight) Chinese models possibly only 6 months behind of them, gene is out of the bottle, is 6 months of difference really that important? And they don’t have good reasons for that 6 months to stay that way. Am I missing something or are these just their usual marketing? I’m not a…

Some people think there will be an exponential takeoff, which means that a 6 month lead effectively rounds up to infinity.

Is this belief grounded on some kind of derivation, or just a prima facie belief?

If it is grounded on a logical derivation, where can one find such a derivation, and inspect its premises?

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #273
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #261

I don’t think this will do much to help his image. They had to stop putting Luigi Mangione in the media because public sentiment was not going the way they expected.

Who is “they”?

The media apparatus and the Epstein Class behind the scenes that tell them what narrative to push.

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Post by dsa3a »

clipsy wrote: post #305
dsa3a wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity... why do you think this? I think this is complete madness. Im not someone that is in a job so I have the luxury to think critically about what is going on and... I just dont see it. What I see is that LLMs will complement Labour and the excess returns of model producers will be very minimal (if at all any) due to the intense competition - keeping switching costs to a minimum (close to zero). This is…

I've reread your post a few times and I can't make heads or tails of it. I don't even disagree with anything you've said, it just seems like a total non-sequitur; nothing you've said gives any reason to disbelieve that AI will put (many) people out of work.

Sounds like you have a gap of knowledge and understanding if you're not getting it.

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Post by empthought »

stavros wrote: post #205
minimaxir wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't think Hacker News needed an explicit "calls for violence are bad" guideline but the comments here have shown otherwise.

Are calls for violence bad when you're calling for throwing a molotov cocktail at a child? At an adult? At a serial killer? At someone who's about to shoot you unprovoked? At someone who murdered your family? At someone who's about to? If you said "yes" to all of the above, I'd love to know your reasoning.

Yes.

If you want a molotov cocktail thrown so badly, throw it yourself. Don't put it on other people to do it for you.

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