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Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by m463 »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #62

Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks

They have lots of keychron keyboards to try, even weird custom ones, at Central Computers in silicon valley.

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

#92

Post by Teknoman117 »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #85
intrasight wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to visit a Tokyo store with mechanical keyboards! My solution is to buy a mech keyboard from some well respected vendor and try it out. I return the vast majority.

ok wow - https://maps.app.goo.gl/6mxrDe8H9e4u1ru38 (in Tokyo) yeah, that's what'd I want!

I went there last time I was sent on a business trip to Japan! It’s a fun little shop. Wasn’t so crowded at the end of October :)

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

#93

Post by mjmas »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #69
zerebos wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you live in NYC take a trip to your nearest Microcenter, they often have tons of keyboards out that you can play with and get a feel for

for sure, that's probably the best option here in NYC/Brooklyn but it definitely feels limited when compared with all of the options available online (that probably applies to most things) there's a specialized store in Brooklyn for modular synths [0] - obviously they don't stock every module but still... I'd assume that a keyboard store would be... popular? maybe? haha (((((((((should I start a keyboard store ahaha…

Rebalancing: ))

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by mjmas »

exmadscientist wrote: post #43

"Production-grade hardware design files... Study real CAD... Learn from how real products are built... STEP" I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy, but while STEP files are often used as the final export to the contract manufacturer to cut the molds, or for some level of fit checking, they're not used for anything else . The real engineering that you can actually learn from is in the SolidWorks (or equivalent) part files,…

They use Creo it seems:

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  FILE_NAME('DIGAI_1_1_1_1_1_1_1','2025-01-07T11:51:29',('\X2\7B26836394A6\X0\'),(
  ''),'CREO PARAMETRIC BY PTC INC, 2022073','CREO PARAMETRIC BY PTC INC, 2022073',
  '');
  FILE_SCHEMA(('CONFIG_CONTROL_DESIGN'));
  ENDSEC;

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by thereisnospork »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #68
robinsonb5 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright law forbids the creation of derivative works (excepting any region-specific fair-use rules) so you're only allowed to create them under the rights granted to you in the terms of the license - thus under this particular license you can't make commercial use of derivative works.

But is a physical item a derivative work of it's technical specifications? If the design files qualify for copyright protections, then modifications to them would clearly be derivative works. I don't think it is clear if the keyboard itself would be a derivative work, as it almost certainly can't be protected by copyright. This is what patents are for.

Ianal, usual disclaimers, etc.

The design files don't qualify for copyright protections, they describe the design which (maybe) qualifies for copyright protections.[0]

The artistic design of a specific keyboard can certainly be copyrighted, but not the functional nature of it.

[0]The exact wording might be protected, but not the factual information contained. Sports scores, or say measurements of a keyboard, are not copyrightable items as they are just facts, though their presentation might be.

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by abhinavsharma »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #62

Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks

Best Buy has keychron

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by cantSpellSober »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #62

Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks

Sounds like you need to attend the next NYC Mechanical Keyboard Meetup

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #90
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> instead of making 10 people get in their car and make a round trip to the store Tell me you’re in the US without telling me you’re in the US :)

I'm actually not, but the person I was replying to clearly was given the "three states over" comment. I explicitly specified the statement was conditional on customers not being within walking distance.

Driving across three states to go buy something is peak US :)

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by gregsadetsky »

cantSpellSober wrote: post #97
gregsadetsky wrote: post #62

Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks

Sounds like you need to attend the next NYC Mechanical Keyboard Meetup

wow! I'm sad I missed it last month! https://nyckeyboardmeetup.com/events/20260314/

any idea when the next one will be?

Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice

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Post by wfleming »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #62

Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks

Stores, no, but there are meetups of keyboard nerds where people bring a bunch of them. There’s one in NYC run by a former coworker of mine: https://nyckeyboardmeetup.com/. Schedule is somewhat sporadic, and unfortunately you just missed the most recent one, but you might enjoy checking out their next event.
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