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Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by mjamesaustin »

tempestn wrote: post #59
nslsm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. I agree. The French Revolution was really, really mean.

Are you familiar with the details of the French Revolution? Some of the eventual outcomes were indeed positive, but a lot of what actually went on was pretty horrific.

It was horrific. Revolutions tend to be. Yet our institutions continue consolidating money and power in fewer and fewer hands. If that doesn't stop, we'll be headed there again. It will probably be even worse this time.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by happytoexplain »

tempestn wrote: post #59
nslsm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. I agree. The French Revolution was really, really mean.

Are you familiar with the details of the French Revolution? Some of the eventual outcomes were indeed positive, but a lot of what actually went on was pretty horrific.

A lot of what happened during the French revolution was horrific... This is such a bewildering sentence in this context. Yes, killing the rulers is horrific. Revolutions are horrific. Wars are horrific. It seems irrelevant to what the parent is (sarcastically) saying.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by ambicapter »

velominati wrote: post #25

It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. Separately; Sam's belief that "AI has to be democratized; power cannot be too concentrated." rings incredibly hollow. OpenAI has abandoned its open source roots. It is concentrating wealth - and thus power - into fewer hands. Not more.

He's saying that just so he can use if another company gets bigger than OpenAI ("you can't have all the power"). If OpenAI were the top dog by a large margin, you wouldn't hear him say a peep about this (as was demonstrated by his actions with the charter).

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by tuckerman »

xdennis wrote: post #53
zb3 wrote: post #19

So there's one photo. Of one family. Now what about millions of photos of all the other families possibly affected by him? That doesn't have power? It's like "hey you can say mean things about me but don't attack my family while I attack yours". Not that this is directed at him personally, but it's just this mindset of wealthy people..

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I don't know who you think the "real family" is but a) narrowing what a real family is does an awful disservice to a whole host of unique families, not just families that involve surrogacy and b) nearly all surrogacies in the US are gestational surrogacies where at least one parent is genetically related to the child and the surrogate is not at all related to the child (not that genetic relations is what makes something a real family or not, but I'm pretty sure thats what is implied here).

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by happytoexplain »

m4x wrote: post #99
teachrdan wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the way we tackle that is with conversations, not violence I think the breakdown here is that conversation seems to have no power. To only be a bit hyperbolic, the only language with power is money -- or violence. To the extent that ordinary people cannot make change with "conversation" (which I interpret here to mean dialog within society, including with lawmakers), they feel compelled to use violence instead. A n…

There's still a meaningful difference between violence wielded by a single individual who feels angry or unheard, and violence wielded by a large representative group who has invested genuine effort in conversation before collectively deciding violence is required.

They aren't mutually exclusive. Often the former and latter, in that order, are two parts of the same historical event.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by dakolli »

ambicapter wrote: post #104
velominati wrote: post #25

It's never OK to physically attack someone like this. Full stop. Separately; Sam's belief that "AI has to be democratized; power cannot be too concentrated." rings incredibly hollow. OpenAI has abandoned its open source roots. It is concentrating wealth - and thus power - into fewer hands. Not more.

He's saying that just so he can use if another company gets bigger than OpenAI ("you can't have all the power"). If OpenAI were the top dog by a large margin, you wouldn't hear him say a peep about this (as was demonstrated by his actions with the charter).

Knowing Sam, this entire event was fabricated or done at his behest.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

#108

Post by hungryhobbit »

dakolli wrote: post #51
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha, I was giving an AI bootcamp to a room full of people and someone asked me my opinion of Altman. I hesitated for a second and replied that I would not trust Altman further than I could throw a rock about anything. If Graham says this guy will always stop at nothing to get whatever he wants, which I absolutely believe, then why would you trust anything that comes out of a person like that’s mouth?

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Yeah, people learning new technology is terrible. /s

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by cuuupid »

happytoexplain wrote: post #82
cuuupid wrote: post #56

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FYI, you started out with a very common word used to exaggerate or cherry-pick the opinions of enemies ("giddy"). It's more valuable to discuss grievances than to pretend they are simply un-discussable in the wake of related violence (in the vein of "it would be disrespectful to talk about gun control in the wake of gun violence").

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