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Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

poszlem wrote: post #51
brianjlogan wrote: post #15

Hmm... Interestingly one does not look at the solutions to de-escalate conflict. Despite the proxy wars we've had a relatively peaceful world since WW1/WW2. Please humor me here, I'm not saying the world is horror free. The emphasis I would hope would also be for improved negotiation tactics, better resource sharing and goal alignment between groups of people. Why is it that we can dream up more conflict but not peac…

I think the reason we can imagine conflict easier than peace is pretty structural. Wars usually happen because of disequilibrium, and we're sitting right in the middle of a big one. The world order we know was built by and for the US when it was the uncontested superpower. Thats just not the case anymore. Countries that spent decades being the West's cheap labor pool have risen up, industrialized, built real militari…

> US when it was the uncontested superpower.

significant parts of the current world order evolved when the US was very much a contested superpower, c/o the USSR. While many things have changed since the dissolution of the USSR, many things have remained the same.

Further, you can guarantee that if Russia had announced in the days of war rumors re: Iran that they would militarily (not just intelligence & logistics, if stories are to be believed) support Iran, the US would likely not have attacked in anything like this way. That they did not doesn't mean that the US is "uncontested", merely that Russia wasn't interested in that sort of positioning of its own (nuclear) military threat over US action in Iran.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

krisoft wrote: post #83

> what if the Army could cut and cover 100 meters of precast tunnel segments in a day If you have the precast tunnel segments to do that why wouldn’t you just plop them down on the ground? What benefit does cutting and covering provide? Also how would you protect your construction crew and construction supply chain as they are slowly plodding along 100m a day? Once built, could this cut and cover tunnel be disabled b…

> If you have the precast tunnel segments to do that why wouldn’t you just plop them down on the ground? What benefit does cutting and covering provide?

I have no opinion on this, but TFA makes it pretty clear: visibility and susceptibility to attack.

TFA also makes it clear that cutting and covering is weak sauce compared with actual tunnels "30-40 feet below the surface".

Re: Nowhere is safe

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YZF wrote: post #37
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked? https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embass... Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? I would love for nobody to bomb or kill anyone. Did Ukraine bomb Russia? Is Taiwan bombing China that declares it is going to take Tai…

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Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

ACCount37 wrote: post #44
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

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Tell me about the problems outside of N. Korea that have resulted from N. Korea's ownership of nuclear weapons?

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by cicko »

TheGRS wrote: post #71
brianjlogan wrote: post #15

Hmm... Interestingly one does not look at the solutions to de-escalate conflict. Despite the proxy wars we've had a relatively peaceful world since WW1/WW2. Please humor me here, I'm not saying the world is horror free. The emphasis I would hope would also be for improved negotiation tactics, better resource sharing and goal alignment between groups of people. Why is it that we can dream up more conflict but not peac…

Globalization offered the model for this. When the economy is globally linked there is more pressure for stability than conflict. I think that theory still holds. The fallout of the last 10 years is that the distribution of the wealth created in that system has not been even at all, and we are seeing huge wealth gaps. Jobs were redistributed to poorer nations and lost in a lot of wealthier markets. If nations can sol…

So the problem is that people in poor countries are finally not starving but not that the person with a chainsaw owns hundreds of billions of dollars?

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by cmxch »

ACCount37 wrote: post #44
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

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> we only planned for the absolute best case scenario, why didn't that scenario happen?

IRGC sympathizers across the world that would rather have the current government than the more progressive predecessor.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by jonnybgood »

krisoft wrote: post #69
esseph wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> struggling against Iran Idk what to tell you, but any target that seems to get marked in Iran blows the fuck up. > couldn't outproduce Russia on the battlefield ??? What does this even mean? It's not like the US is in a wartime economy.

> Idk what to tell you, but any target that seems to get marked in Iran blows the fuck up. I’m sure that is true. And yet, the oil is not flowing. We keep “winning” like this for a few more weeks/months and we lose. Not because we sudenly stop “blowing targets the fuck up”, but because we cripple our economies.

The flowing of oil is not of primary importance to the US in this conflict. The oil was already flowing. So I think we can reasonably rule that out as an objective.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by brandon272 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #44
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

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Difficult to reconcile the justification of current efforts of "Iran can't have nukes" with the unequivocal claims made less than a year ago that Iran's nuclear capabilities had been "obliterated".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2025/06/irans-nuclear-fa...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2025/06/sunday-shows-pre...

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