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Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by TheGRS »

brianjlogan wrote: post #15

Hmm... Interestingly one does not look at the solutions to de-escalate conflict. Despite the proxy wars we've had a relatively peaceful world since WW1/WW2. Please humor me here, I'm not saying the world is horror free. The emphasis I would hope would also be for improved negotiation tactics, better resource sharing and goal alignment between groups of people. Why is it that we can dream up more conflict but not peac…

Globalization offered the model for this. When the economy is globally linked there is more pressure for stability than conflict. I think that theory still holds. The fallout of the last 10 years is that the distribution of the wealth created in that system has not been even at all, and we are seeing huge wealth gaps. Jobs were redistributed to poorer nations and lost in a lot of wealthier markets.

If nations can solve wealth and job distribution under globalization then I think we return back to peaceful times. The current problems stem from people getting left out and then voting in leaders who do not understand diplomacy or the global market at all.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by gib444 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #44
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

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> Iran has been the driving force behind a lot of instability in Middle East

I'm loving the current stability that the USA has gifted the world and looking forward to many decades of peace and calm in the middle east. Thank you so much.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by Centigonal »

TheGRS wrote: post #71
brianjlogan wrote: post #15

Hmm... Interestingly one does not look at the solutions to de-escalate conflict. Despite the proxy wars we've had a relatively peaceful world since WW1/WW2. Please humor me here, I'm not saying the world is horror free. The emphasis I would hope would also be for improved negotiation tactics, better resource sharing and goal alignment between groups of people. Why is it that we can dream up more conflict but not peac…

Globalization offered the model for this. When the economy is globally linked there is more pressure for stability than conflict. I think that theory still holds. The fallout of the last 10 years is that the distribution of the wealth created in that system has not been even at all, and we are seeing huge wealth gaps. Jobs were redistributed to poorer nations and lost in a lot of wealthier markets. If nations can sol…

I'll add to this by saying that globalization works as well as it does because the average person would suffer dramatically from a major war and the resulting breakdown of global supply chains. People who are wealthy enough to move anywhere in the world (including to a military-grade bunker somewhere remote like New Zealand) if their current domicile is negatively affected don't have as strong of an incentive to maintain peace.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by throw310822 »

YZF wrote: post #63
throw310822 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US are also the major enabler of Israel's colonial expansion and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This was clearly expressed by Bin Laden himself as one of the motives behind the 9/11 attacks. > Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it As I remember, this was exactly the way the US explained 9/11: "they hate us for our freedom".

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You asked "who did the US bomb before 9/11" and you got the answer. Now you're arguing that they shouldn't have reacted even if the US bombed them before (calling it "an excuse")?

As for the peace process with Palestinians, it was always a sham. The US (as it's evident now to many) are entirely unable to apply any sort of pressure on their "ally". What they've done is just buying time for Israel to expand its colonisation under the temporary pretense of some ongoing "peace process".

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by SkyeCA »

carlosjobim wrote: post #2

Do drones just appear out of thin air? Or are they made in factories, which as far as I know are "high value fixed civilian infrastructure" - which is vulnerable to attack? If drones become a big enough problem for countries like the US, then drone factories in China will be bombed, I have no doubt about that. The author is quite misguided if he thinks wars can only be fought defensively and never offensively.

> If drones become a big enough problem for countries like the US, then drone factories in China will be bombed

Bombing China would be an insane course of action to take for virtually any reason.

That aside consider this: You currently have the power to buy a handful of the shelf parts and assemble your own deadly drone at home. You don't need very specialized parts to do this. Bombing drone factories would do nothing to stop the use of drones.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by gazebo2 »

YZF wrote: post #63
throw310822 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US are also the major enabler of Israel's colonial expansion and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This was clearly expressed by Bin Laden himself as one of the motives behind the 9/11 attacks. > Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it As I remember, this was exactly the way the US explained 9/11: "they hate us for our freedom".

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>There is always an excuse

"excuse" is a funny way of wording it -- "motivation" or "explanation" might be more appropriate here. is the expectation that the US can and should be able to kill and destroy and the victims just turn the other cheek?

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by cyberax »

YZF wrote: post #37
firefoxd wrote: post #9

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked? https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embass... Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? I would love for nobody to bomb or kill anyone. Did Ukraine bomb Russia? Is Taiwan bombing China that declares it is going to take Tai…

> Who did the US bomb before 9/11?

Korea, Vietnam, Laos...

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by [deleted] »

Legend2440 wrote: post #23

The trouble with missile interceptors is that they're overkill. Drones are slow, unarmored targets that could be taken out by a bullet. What you need is small automated point-defense turrets, mounted on whatever you want to protect.

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Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by throwoio »

outside2344 wrote: post #19

Trump has blundered like an idiot into this in Iran ... ... but the upside is that the same dynamics are making it possible for Ukraine to beat back Russia too. It is a bad time to be an invading force.

That's how low in MAGA think.

Re: Nowhere is safe

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Post by throwoio »

throw310822 wrote: post #59
esseph wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government of Israel can fight its own wars, it sure as hell doesn't need US help.

Then it should stop getting $3 billion/ year from the US. Maybe also give back the $14 billion gift from a couple of years ago.

When are you giving back the land to natives?
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