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"Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

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Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#11

Post by tamimio »

_fw wrote: post #8

Absolute insanity from other commenters here. I totally disagree about it being hard to read - it’s fine. And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t. It’s not JUST about Proton Meet. The article goes on to point out that even for Proton Mail, around 10,000 foreign subpoenas were complied with last year. It draws attention to the STARK contrast between their messaging and their…

Proton is very active in HN and other sites, and notorious in “debunking misinformation”, at least used to with their official account, so maybe now they went in different approaches of debunking and try to discredit criticism. You also have the fanbase phenomenon, rooted from some denial of active users, so such articles always get attacked one way or another.

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#12

Post by _fw »

gruez wrote: post #10
_fw wrote: post #8

Absolute insanity from other commenters here. I totally disagree about it being hard to read - it’s fine. And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t. It’s not JUST about Proton Meet. The article goes on to point out that even for Proton Mail, around 10,000 foreign subpoenas were complied with last year. It draws attention to the STARK contrast between their messaging and their…

>Absolute insanity from other commenters here. I totally disagree about it being hard to read - it’s fine. >And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t. The problem isn't that it's indecipherable, it's that the reader feels their time isn't being respected. If the author (seemingly) can't be bothered to put the time into writing a blog post, resorting to AI generated slop, why s…

Maybe my slop detector isn’t as sharp as yours, maybe the antagonist in me appreciated the author’s tone.

I guess I just liked the article!

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#13

Post by gruez »

_fw wrote: post #12
gruez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Absolute insanity from other commenters here. I totally disagree about it being hard to read - it’s fine. >And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t. The problem isn't that it's indecipherable, it's that the reader feels their time isn't being respected. If the author (seemingly) can't be bothered to put the time into writing a blog post, resorting to AI generated slop, why s…

Maybe my slop detector isn’t as sharp as yours, maybe the antagonist in me appreciated the author’s tone. I guess I just liked the article!

It's not hard to find examples, eg. for chained negations:

>California. Not Geneva. Not Zurich. Santa Clara County. Let that land for a second.

>That's not an interpretation. That's not reading between lines. That's LiveKit's own [...]

>Not by breaking Signal's encryption. Not by going to Signal. By extracting [...]

>You don't get notified. You don't get to contest it. You find out [...]

>Not a single anonymous source. Not a single leaked document. Not a single interpretation [...]

>An ordinary person — not an activist, not a whistleblower, not anyone doing anything wrong

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#14

Post by _fw »

gruez wrote: post #13
_fw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe my slop detector isn’t as sharp as yours, maybe the antagonist in me appreciated the author’s tone. I guess I just liked the article!

It's not hard to find examples, eg. for chained negations: >California. Not Geneva. Not Zurich. Santa Clara County. Let that land for a second. >That's not an interpretation. That's not reading between lines. That's LiveKit's own [...] >Not by breaking Signal's encryption. Not by going to Signal. By extracting [...] >You don't get notified. You don't get to contest it. You find out [...] >Not a single anonymous sourc…

“You’re absolutely right! I should have…”

Not sure how those passed me by.

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#15

Post by unethical_ban »

tamimio wrote: post #11
_fw wrote: post #8

Absolute insanity from other commenters here. I totally disagree about it being hard to read - it’s fine. And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t. It’s not JUST about Proton Meet. The article goes on to point out that even for Proton Mail, around 10,000 foreign subpoenas were complied with last year. It draws attention to the STARK contrast between their messaging and their…

Proton is very active in HN and other sites, and notorious in “debunking misinformation”, at least used to with their official account, so maybe now they went in different approaches of debunking and try to discredit criticism. You also have the fanbase phenomenon, rooted from some denial of active users, so such articles always get attacked one way or another.

It's fair to be suspicious of astroturf. FWIW I am a Proton user, but I get no benefit other than self-soothing from criticizing proton criticism.

My main beef was with the writing style, which is so over the top and repetitive and seemingly AI-generated that I couldn't stand it.

Proton Meet relying on a bunch of US infrastructure is something they should call out themselves loudly when they advertise it, to be sure.

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#17

Post by Ms-J »

Proton works with spy agencies and has been caught so many times with their pants down, doing the worst, that I can't keep up with it any longer.

Then on every thread they deploy a massive army of people to defend their bullshit. They do this here, Reddit, Twitter, etc.

It's CryptoAG all over again.

But to be fair, they aren't the only ones doing it.

"Prrrreeeaseee trust us with yerr sekretss!!1!!"

Edit: I'll throw this bone. They leverage your data.

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#18

Post by unethical_ban »

Ms-J wrote: post #17

Proton works with spy agencies and has been caught so many times with their pants down, doing the worst, that I can't keep up with it any longer. Then on every thread they deploy a massive army of people to defend their bullshit. They do this here, Reddit, Twitter, etc. It's CryptoAG all over again. But to be fair, they aren't the only ones doing it. "Prrrreeeaseee trust us with yerr sekretss!!1!!" Edit: I'll throw t…

Which accounts in this thread are fake?

What is the documentation about spy agency collabs? I've literally not heard of that. I've heard about them complying with requests that give away metadata and payment info based on court order.

At this point I see more suspicious rants from the people claiming proton is compromised than from the people who say "eh".

Re: "Not Even Government Agencies" - Proton's misleading marketing

#19

Post by queenkjuul »

unethical_ban wrote: post #18
Ms-J wrote: post #17

Proton works with spy agencies and has been caught so many times with their pants down, doing the worst, that I can't keep up with it any longer. Then on every thread they deploy a massive army of people to defend their bullshit. They do this here, Reddit, Twitter, etc. It's CryptoAG all over again. But to be fair, they aren't the only ones doing it. "Prrrreeeaseee trust us with yerr sekretss!!1!!" Edit: I'll throw t…

Which accounts in this thread are fake? What is the documentation about spy agency collabs? I've literally not heard of that. I've heard about them complying with requests that give away metadata and payment info based on court order. At this point I see more suspicious rants from the people claiming proton is compromised than from the people who say "eh".

In fairness, there's basically no difference between a US law enforcement agency and a US intelligence agency
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