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HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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Reminds me of the Snape Kills Dumbledore spoiler initiative that happened in 2005, where people would drive around bookstores with people yelling in line and spoiling it. Admittedly, kind of a dick move, but I have to admit I did find it kind of funny at the time. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/snape-kills-dumbledore

My wife and I have decided there is one thing that it's universally okay for us to spoil to one another in a book, movie, etc.: if the cat/dog survives till the end.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it was video clips originally posted, but it seems like posting unpublished(?) copy of any type can fall under DMCA, which I guess makes sense. -> [HBO Lawyer] classifies the infringing content as 'summaries of unpublished, character, setting, and plots of a forthcoming series'

A summary can't be a matter of copyright. It's probably just the vehicle HBO chose to be able to identify the leaker, because claiming copyright infringement these days is like a superpower, and then use different hammer to go after them.

That too makes sense.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#33

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It was people that didn't like reading or nerdy kids, trying to spoil their interests.

I doubt that. Someone who doesn't like reading wouldn't think of "spoiling a book" as a prank category that comes to mind or understands it to be a serious upset rather than just slightly annoying. Also, they'd likely feel that going to a bookstore and shouting things relating to a book serious is "cringe" or whatever you want to call it, if they aren't the type to even go to a bookstore in the first place.

All it takes is one person to go "I did this" and then the others have a good troll/joke to use. Doesn't take a lot of effort and people were more outgoing back then.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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This is what TFA seems to say: > Unlike the DMCA notice, where WBD used “video” to describe the content, the declaration to the court by Michael Bentkover classifies the infringing content as “summaries of unpublished, character, setting, and plots of a forthcoming series”. Isn't that simply about spoiling people, or what's the "crime" here? The article also says "Copyright generally protects the expression of a work…

Most likely the culprit is someone on their staff that broke their NDA contract, but the DMCA is about stopping the proliferation of copyrighted material. They are misusing the DMCA because it has higher discovery/subpoena ability.

Can an NDA be used as justification for a DMCA? Has it happened before?

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#35
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TFA mentions what the actual issue is (it's not simply spoiling people)

This is what TFA seems to say: > Unlike the DMCA notice, where WBD used “video” to describe the content, the declaration to the court by Michael Bentkover classifies the infringing content as “summaries of unpublished, character, setting, and plots of a forthcoming series”. Isn't that simply about spoiling people, or what's the "crime" here? The article also says "Copyright generally protects the expression of a work…

Under the DMCA, you can claim copyright over damn near anything and force a provider to take it down. If there is any ambiguity as to whether you are the owner of the allegedly copyrighted material, like for example legitimate fair use, they still are required to take it down—unless the alleged violator files a DMCA counterclaim in which they must supply their legal name and address to the original claimant. This has been used to silence, or deanonymize, people who post unpleasant things about a powerful person or organization.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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A mild reminder that humans tend towards inflicting pain on their fellow humans when there are no consequences.

I think it's extremely hard to argue that kids tend to be emotionally immature and especially vicious in this regard. But considering the GP has admitted that in retrospect they find this action to be a dick move I think it's important not to try and generalize immature behavior to all of humanity. The question of whether humans are more biased towards social or antisocial behavior[1] is a complex one that philosophy…

There's never going to be philosophical consensus on the "good/evil/social/antisocial" debate because the human impulse to self-justify and believe that you're the "good guy" is extremely powerful. Those of us who seek to understand human nature have to proceed without consensus as a goal.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#37
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA mentions what the actual issue is (it's not simply spoiling people)

This is what TFA seems to say: > Unlike the DMCA notice, where WBD used “video” to describe the content, the declaration to the court by Michael Bentkover classifies the infringing content as “summaries of unpublished, character, setting, and plots of a forthcoming series”. Isn't that simply about spoiling people, or what's the "crime" here? The article also says "Copyright generally protects the expression of a work…

The crime is that we're living in a society where different laws apply to corporations than to people. If a corporation doesn't like you, you're toast, no matter whether you're wrong or right.

There are enough laws that they'll find something to nail you on.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

#39
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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it was video clips originally posted, but it seems like posting unpublished(?) copy of any type can fall under DMCA, which I guess makes sense. -> [HBO Lawyer] classifies the infringing content as 'summaries of unpublished, character, setting, and plots of a forthcoming series'

A summary can't be a matter of copyright. It's probably just the vehicle HBO chose to be able to identify the leaker, because claiming copyright infringement these days is like a superpower, and then use different hammer to go after them.

This is a legally tricky minefield. Depending on what is in summary, it -may- be subject to copyright but be protected as fair use... but a work being unpublished weighs against (but does not preclude) free use.

I could see an argument that it is a trade secret, too-- which could be used to oppose downstream dissemination.

Re: HBO Obtains DMCA Subpoena to Unmask 'Euphoria' Spoiler Account on X

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post #26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mild reminder that humans tend towards inflicting pain on their fellow humans when there are no consequences.

I think it's extremely hard to argue that kids tend to be emotionally immature and especially vicious in this regard. But considering the GP has admitted that in retrospect they find this action to be a dick move I think it's important not to try and generalize immature behavior to all of humanity. The question of whether humans are more biased towards social or antisocial behavior[1] is a complex one that philosophy…

Mao Zedong was able to convince kids and teenagers to have their parents and teachers killed during the Cultural Revolution by convincing them that it was prosocial behavior, and indeed their duty. So the question is fraught with conundrums of the form "humans tend to prosocial/antisocial according to which standard?"
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