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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by simlevesque »

dleslie wrote: post #429
realo wrote: post #423

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Apparently not everyone got the memo... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/federal-phoenix-pay-sy...

The Phoenix contract predates the more recent efforts to switch to FOSS. But also, Canada loves to burn money on American suppliers. It's probably why the recent interest in _Buy Canadian_ has the American administration annoyed.

Phoenix was a literal trap laid by the Conservative government just before leaving knowing it would be a shit show for the Liberals in the coming years.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by gib444 »

drstewart wrote: post #497
gib444 wrote: post #478

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As an Englishman, I don't need lectures on my language. English isn't controlled by a central authority. If a new word takes hold, it takes hold, that's it. The way the USA thinks it has an absolute right to decimate central and South America disgusts me to the core and I'm tired of those poor people being lumped in with the term "Americans". It's offensive to them. The USA does not own the continent as much as the C…

>As an Englishman, I don't need lectures on my language. An Englishman? You mean Englandian. English is a language, you can't lump everyone who speaks it into one category. >English isn't controlled by a central authority Exactly. And the Englandian usage has no superiority over any other. >The USA does not own the continent as much as the CIA tries. Maybe not, but we do own the UK (:

Oh man you yanks are so bad at insults haha

> You mean Englandian

Sounds fine lol

> English is a language

Yup, ours. The one thing you couldn't buy :)

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by fluoridation »

himata4113 wrote: post #259
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

Well actually I've been technically playing all the games that are protected by these aggressive anticheats on linux since I've decided to switch. My setup is a custom version of the linux kernel that 'backdoors' itself and exposes host information to the windows vm making all the anticheats happy enough to work out of the box. Have not gotten banned in any of the games either. Custom VMM and EDK builds are required…

If you have to run a Windows VM anyway, why not just reboot into Windows?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by barney54 »

tombert wrote: post #535
jjcm wrote: post #512

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I've been using linux as a daily driver since the start of the year. There's still a long ways to go before things "just work". It's about equivalent to windows right now in terms of frustrations, it's just that frustrations are more along the lines of "this is a bit wonky" instead of "this is malicious / was their intended behavior". It's gotten a LOT better, don't get me wrong, but it's still far off from what a ty…

Thank you for saying something I've been saying for awhile: Linux definitely has jank, but I'm not convinced it's more janky than Windows. I think people are so used to Windows' awfulness that they kind of forget about how much bullshit is associated with it. Linux has bullshit too, though it's getting better, but when people talk about Linux jank they're always smuggling in an implication of Windows having less jank…

I don’t think it’s a question that Linux has more jank. I recently installed a fedora spin on a laptop that came with regular Fedora installed originally and the WiFi didn’t work. That’s some janky stuff right there.

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Post by alecsm »

SoftTalker wrote: post #546
dschep wrote: post #526

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> "theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro" SUSE is a German company, so probably nothing to even develop.

Does SUSE normally come up in conversations about "easy to use" linux distros for "normal" users? I'm not in that world, so this is a genuine question. The last time I looked at SUSE it seemed typically German in being uniquely complicated for no good reason, but that was years ago.

Suse is easy to use, just not mainstream.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by Neikius »

tombert wrote: post #535
jjcm wrote: post #512

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I've been using linux as a daily driver since the start of the year. There's still a long ways to go before things "just work". It's about equivalent to windows right now in terms of frustrations, it's just that frustrations are more along the lines of "this is a bit wonky" instead of "this is malicious / was their intended behavior". It's gotten a LOT better, don't get me wrong, but it's still far off from what a ty…

Thank you for saying something I've been saying for awhile: Linux definitely has jank, but I'm not convinced it's more janky than Windows. I think people are so used to Windows' awfulness that they kind of forget about how much bullshit is associated with it. Linux has bullshit too, though it's getting better, but when people talk about Linux jank they're always smuggling in an implication of Windows having less jank…

After I replaced my last windows install a few years ago... Checking windows 11 on a friend's PC a few weeks ago was a nightmare. I considered myself a power user back in the day and I really struggled. So now I do have perspective from the other end and it fits the picture - windows is also jank it is just familiar jank for most people.

There is another point too. The trend with Linux is up and improving slowly over decades. And for windows it seems to be the reverse and faster.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by 1718627440 »

red_admiral wrote: post #547
1718627440 wrote: post #528

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Why does there need to be a standard application for everything? Is there a default pencil vendor? A default printer vendor? Paper? Car manufacturer? Taxi company? Just let people buy/get whatever vendor/application they like. I rather see more interoperational standards.

I guarantee you, in a large enough organisation, there will be exactly one approved pencil supplier. That's how corporate purchasing works. There's a lot of cases where this actually makes sense for compliance, support, and service level agreements between your org and the vendor's among many other cases. It just gets annoying when you absolutely cannot buy coffee beans from shop B on the team consumables budget beca…

Yeah, and this is fine. This is basically what I meant, a company can just select and potentially make a contract for a specific application. That's how it works for everything. My point was that there doesn't need to be the unique single global vendor/application a priori.

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Post by phainopepla2 »

afewquarks wrote: post #550

I know this might be a controversial take but nevertheless I will state my opinion: I do not think "the year of the Linux desktop" is the good idea that most people seem to think. Everything that gets the eye of Sauron on it proceeds to become a complete mess. Resources always win. All that is needed to ruin an open project is dump money into heavy development up to the point where it becomes impossible to do without…

Linux is already integral to the tech and enterprise worlds, which have a lot more money to throw around the consumer desktop space. I'm having trouble seeing how Linux becoming a more popular consumer OS would lead to the types of problems you're talking about, if being a leader in the server space hasn't already led to them.

Also, Linux has a built-in mechanism against enshittification, which is its open source and multiple flavors. Ubuntu becomes enshittified? Move to Fedora. You can have a dumbed down consumer-friendly distro without affecting Arch.

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Post by sn »

bostik wrote: post #542
jodrellblank wrote: post #493

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> " theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro " Microsoft bought Nokia's devices and services division for Windows Mobile in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Mobile

They killed any Linux device development at Nokia in 2011. Still salty about Elop shooting down a project we had spent 5 years working towards. The holistic platform security for a combined phone/tablet base system would have been really interesting.

I'm not sure if I would have started using Linux but for buying an n800, so thanks for that.

We never did get around to our funeral for Nokia, sadly.

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Post by Neikius »

SoftTalker wrote: post #546
dschep wrote: post #526

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> "theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro" SUSE is a German company, so probably nothing to even develop.

Does SUSE normally come up in conversations about "easy to use" linux distros for "normal" users? I'm not in that world, so this is a genuine question. The last time I looked at SUSE it seemed typically German in being uniquely complicated for no good reason, but that was years ago.

I am suse user for 20+ years with a big break in between. To me it fits the best. Ubuntu I gave up on a while ago and came back to find things so much nicer.

They have a slightly different take on immutable than redhat but it also works well (rollback and all). Also the tumbleweed rolling is quite stable for a bleeding edge rolling release distro. Using it on a few boxes for the last few years and also installing it for other PC noobs and they seem fine with it.

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