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We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

#591

- leads with amount of money raised - mentions a16z - i use git every single day and have no idea what exactly the thing will do they aren't building something to help you, they're building something to trap you. even if it's free, does things you like, etc., do not use it. their end goal is to screw you

if the cli is open sources and ends up finished i don't see what the problem is to let a vc fund them building it

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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A lot of people seem confused about how they raised the money, but it’s actually a pretty easy VC pitch. - It’s from one of GitHub’s cofounders. - GitHub had a $7.5B exit. - And the story is: AI is completely changing how software gets built, with plenty of proof points already showing up in the billions in revenue being made from things like Claude Code, Cusor, Codex, etc. So the pitch is basically: back the team th…

I think I have just as good a shot at building what comes after git as their team does, and perhaps quite a lot better. I'm not famous though, I'm just a good engineer who is patient, inquisitive, and determined enough to spend the last five years of my life on nothing but this. My question is: say the investor believes that some new platform will win out over Github. How do I make the case that it will be mine over…

>I think I have just as good a shot at building what comes after git as their team does, and perhaps quite a lot better.

This sounds like one of those "Hacker News Dropbox" comments...

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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post #533

> The old model assumed one person, one branch, one terminal, one linear flow. Not only has the problem not been solved well for that old model, it’s now only been compounded with our new AI tools. A bit of a strange thing to say in my book. Git isn't SVN and I think these problems are already solved with git. I agree that the interface is not always very intuitive but Git has the infrastructure which is very much fo…

The problem is how to make money from something that is more or less solved.

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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post #591

- leads with amount of money raised - mentions a16z - i use git every single day and have no idea what exactly the thing will do they aren't building something to help you, they're building something to trap you. even if it's free, does things you like, etc., do not use it. their end goal is to screw you

if the cli is open sources and ends up finished i don't see what the problem is to let a vc fund them building it

VCs are not particularly well known for their commitment to building products that they can't make money off of. They'll promise you the OSS world and then as soon as they can they'll pull the rug out from under you.

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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post #591

- leads with amount of money raised - mentions a16z - i use git every single day and have no idea what exactly the thing will do they aren't building something to help you, they're building something to trap you. even if it's free, does things you like, etc., do not use it. their end goal is to screw you

if the cli is open sources and ends up finished i don't see what the problem is to let a vc fund them building it

The problem is that they need to find some way to not only make the money back but multiply it. That’s where the “you’re getting screwed” comes into play - we don’t know yet how they will screw us, but it’s gonna happen

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, that LEGO vacuum does exist[0], it was on Shark Tank[1]. I assume they stole the idea from The Office. It doesn't sort the bricks, but I assume that was more of a stretch goal based on the insane amount of money being discussed. After all, the LEGO vacuum only cost $495k to get to market. [0] https://pickupbricks.com [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X25MIpQqLIU

That one needs to be operated manually. I was thinking more along the lines of robot dog + OCR + 6 dof arm on the robot's back. This video is from 8 years ago: https://youtu.be/wXxrmussq4E?si=bgDdDvZODVov3sSC&t=15 I'm sure, by now we could make them for EDIT: BTW did you see that the page you linked to has this at the bottom of their landing page: "Example product" "This area is used to describe your product’s detail…

Roborock Saros Z70 is about a year old:

https://us.roborock.com/pages/roborock-saros-z70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0AGhb6p8sE

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but why should I believe you? The guy is famous because he has a track record of success doing similar projects. Of course that doesn’t guarantee success, but I’d wager it makes it statistically more likely than a random person. Starting a successful company is not all about good engineering. Have you built a prototype and tried to pitch any VCs? Or are you just asking rhetorical questions?

I built a prototype, and then I rebuilt and rebuilt it and rebuilt it, and somewhere in there my understanding of how to think about what I was building completely flipped on its head. Then I rebuilt the version flipped on its head another several times until I finally understood it. You can see that on my Github, it's all public: https://github.com/conartist6 (public devlog on Discord). It's a pretty serious claim t…

Does anyone actually care about the above issues?

If yes, and you’ve solved them, people should be very interested in using what you’ve built. If people are using what you’ve built and are willing to pay for it, VCs will be interested.

If you haven’t solved them, but can validate they are real problems people care about, and have a path towards solving them, this should make a compelling VC pitch.

If they are real engineering problems but no one seems to care much about them, then it’s just a hobby.

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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My impression from GitHub was always that it was nice to have someone else host Git repositories for free, and that the "added value" (the Web view, the user management, the CI, the Wiki) were all made by dilettantes: poor quality, mostly useless, never doing the right thing.

These people seem to think that their "added value" was the selling point of their product... they appear to believe that some bad things are actually good and desirable, like, for example:

> Heck, it could be argued that development in teams is less social than it was when version control was centralized.

> But what if coding was actually social? What if it was easier to for a team to work together than it is to work alone?

This reeks of open-space floor office plan all over again! When some HR managers decided that programmers need all to sit in the same room the size of a basketball court and that would somehow help them work together better...

Programming is absolutely an individual activity first, where communication helps, but in order to be helpful the communicating parties have to have an initial internal process that refines the messages s.a. not to waste the other party's time. In practice, productive communication may happen once a day... up to once a week maybe? Maybe even less frequently? Git, as it is, is perfectly fine for this.

> Ok, that’s the simple case, pretty straightforward. However, GitButler can also do some pretty cool things that Git either cannot do or struggles with, namely:

> Having multiple active branches that you can work on in parallel.

I'll check out the same Git repository in different directories and will have this ability... maybe also add the second checkout as a remote to the first... but the number of times I've done it in two decades of working with Git is... maybe two? This is an extremely unusual need. I think, I've done this when migrating from multiple repositories into a monorepo and I had to somehow reorganize the history of multiple repositories so that it would make sense together. Definitely not a task for every day, not even every year.

The whole follow-up demonstration of parallel branches is just... Why on earth would I ever want to do that? Why would I want to work in such a way that I commit changes to different branches at (roughly) the same time? It's kind of like stashing changes, but, stashing is the byproduct of "bad planning": I wanted to do one thing, and accidentally did another... oh well, let's save the change somewhere temporarily! But, ideally, I want this to happen as little as possible. Not because it's inconvenient to deal with stashed changes, but because I will very quickly lose track of what goes where, why any particular branch exists etc.

Similarly, for the stacked branches: I absolutely don't want this functionality to exist... if it was already in Git, I'd request that it never be used. This complicates the mental model of what is even possible in the repository and creates some nightmare fuel scenarios: what happens if you stack them sequentially? What happens if you stack many branches on the same branch, and then want to rebase one of the stacked branches? What happens if you rebase the branch on which other branches are stacked? What happens if you delete the branch on which other branches are stacked? Does the stacked branch have to exist in the local checkout, or could it come from a remote?

It's absolutely the case where simple is better (I'd never imagine I'd call Git simple, but here we are).

I can't imagine what the workflow of people who want these changes must look like. I can't imagine why would anyone want to copy that kind of a workflow.

Re: We've raised $17M to build what comes after Git

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The tool that could replace git must free, ubiquitous, and arguably open-source. This is why I cannot imagine how raising $17M may pay for itself in that case, to say nothing of a 10× return. It may be a great tool, but I'd be very reluctant to use a closed-source solution as a cornerstone of infrastructure.

I would argue it being proprietary would be completely unacceptable, for such a position of importance. In any case, Git has become tremendously entrenched over the past couple decades. Anything that hopes to replace it would have to be significantly better to break from the inertia Git has. I’m honestly skeptical as to whether this is even possible in the near future. We’re not at all in the same historical moment a…

JJ has a good chance, because it builds on top of git, not replacing it abruptly.
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