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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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I understand what they mean, linux offers freedom, enough that it divorces your tech stack from any one company. But isn't linux US tech? The blueprint, UNIX was a US project, torvolds works from the US. the original userland GNU was a US based project. The new userland systemd is a US based project.

The difference, of course, is that they can inspect the source, and should the US try to use it as leverage they can just fork and continue on.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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The age of the Linux desktop might actually finally be coming

Personally I think we are at an interim period for a big player to emerge and take over this space. If enough governments in the EU start switching over to customized linux distros theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro with proper MDM and GPO-like management functionality baked in .

On top of that it could be great to see SteamOS continue to gain share and become more than just something people run on gaming purpose hardware.

And thirdly would love to see a more simplistic but super lean and functional OS built on something like the BSD.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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I am saying this as a very long time Windows user, and it saddens me. Politics aside, from a pure technichal, functional, privacy and UX perspective, the case for changing over from Windows to Linux is getting stronger by the day.

I am saying this as a very long time Linux user, and it saddens me. Politics aside, from a pure technical, functional, privacy and UX perspective, the case for changing over from Windows has been apparent for several decades.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Werent the munich government employees quite happy with linux, but microsofts lobbying with their headquarters got them to switch back?

I'm not aware of Microsoft's economic footprint in the Munich region, but I doubt it's significant. The complaints that lead to the several-reversions-to-Windows at the time, as I recall, were all around "citizen sent me X, can't open X" And those are all addressable issues, but not without significant know-how and funding.

> I'm not aware of Microsoft's economic footprint in the Munich region, but I doubt it's significant.

Perhaps be aware before explaining everyone how things really are?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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It's... an admirable goal, but it pretty much remains to be seen if "France"[1] follows through. Previous attempts to "ditch Windows" have not ended that well. Munich in 2003, the entire Federal German government in 2009, Munich again in 2013, Munich again in 2021, and so on. Most common end-result: back to Windows. Breaking points are typically the lack of an "Office 2016" compatible suite, lack of "Adobe PDF" tooli…

Munich led to "all of Schleswig-Holstein" in Germany. 44,000 Exchange mailboxes replaced with Open-Xchange. 25,000 Windows+Office desktops replaced with Linux+OpenOffice.

Nope. That was rolled back: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-i...

And, again, I'd very much like Microsoft to lose here, but, there are real issues here

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Munich is a bad example - they were effectively „bought out“ by Microsoft by investing hugely into the local economy in the form of offices and employees. It was also two parties that kept flip flopping with different priorities. Linux itself had some hiccups but was fine from what I recall.

> they were effectively "bought out" by Microsoft Yeah, let me dispute that. They were, at least on three occasions, forced to roll back due to "citizen sent me X and can't open it" and/or "sent Y to citizen and they can't open it" concerns. Mind you: these issues still persist in a fully Microsoft/Adobe "solution environment", but less so than in the "disregard all and move to Linux" situation. And to be perfectly c…

https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

It doesn't matter if this or that doesn't work. Or if Microslop pressures to continue using Winslop.

Now the reasons are geopolitical.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Efforts like this are good for people to realise there is a lot of talent in Europe that just gets overshadowed by USA's dominance. USAians tend think everything is less popular in Europe simply because it is inferior and fails purely on its technical merits. I know nothing will ever change their minds, but at least non-European non-USAians might recognise the efforts a bit more. We are also willing to accept 'good b…

>USAians The word you're looking for is Americans, despite whatever preconceived notion you think the word "Americans" actually should mean in English. I know nothing will ever change European minds, but at least understand what the correct form is. >everything is less popular in Europe simply because it is inferior and fails purely on its technical merits So everything is less popular in Europe because it fails on m…

As an Englishman, I don't need lectures on my language.

English isn't controlled by a central authority. If a new word takes hold, it takes hold, that's it.

The way the USA thinks it has an absolute right to decimate central and South America disgusts me to the core and I'm tired of those poor people being lumped in with the term "Americans". It's offensive to them. The USA does not own the continent as much as the CIA tries.

Just as we received lectures on our declining power, it's time for the USA to suffer the same.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Finns, as always, continue to develop mobile phones, Jolla is back from the dead and supposedly starts shipping sometime in 2026 with a new iteration on the hardware and the OS, time will tell if it'll have any impact. Might not be 100% Europe-made from the get go, but good ideas and executions often start with small steps and iterate rather than having something groundbreaking out of the gate.

I'm not convinced that replacing one proprietary OS with another is the solution. That said, I won't deny that Jolla is much more trustworthy than Google or Apple.

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