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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benrutter »

faccacta wrote: post #56

It seems like what Europe really needs to do this is a viable mobile OS. It's been true for a while that Linux + LibreOffice is plenty to handle most government workers' needs on the desktop, but that's only good for when they are at their desks. Are there any viable alternatives to iOS and Android that are totally free of "dépendances extra-européennes"? What's the plan?

Might be more google dependent than you're looking for, but I've been using Murena's /e/os (based in France) and it's working great for me.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by booleandilemma »

esskay wrote: post #12

Yeah good on them, everyone needs to do this. It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic, buggy mess it is. "Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age. Big orgs and especially government entities should be hiring the people that know what they're doing and get off that crummy platform.

"Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age.

I think "Easy" has been the excuse for everything humans do in every day and age.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by fenykep »

ninjagoo wrote: post #219
ChocolateGod wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

> Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Enterprise environments use a number of tools like Powerbroker, UCS, Centrify/Delinea etc to bind linux machines to active directory and manage identity and access through active directory. This is for mixed environments with both Windows and Linux machines. For pure linux environments, there are a number of tools lik…

I don't know any of these tools but I believe your comment answers most questions in this thread.

I really hope some of these answers are ergonomic enough for windows sysadmins to accomodate this transition.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by freedomben »

satvikpendem wrote: post #365
freedomben wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really see any issues with it that would want to make me move away If you don't care about privacy issues or ads in your face, then yeah Windows is pretty good. I care a lot about that (and open source in general) so for me it's way worth it. But everyone is different and that's ok

I don't, no (otherwise I wouldn't use Google and their ecosystem either). I also don't see any ads people talk about either, I run ad blockers everywhere so maybe that's why. Vague concerns about privacy are not strong enough reasons for me and most others, based on OS market share, to move away when the concrete reality is we can simply play more games on Windows. The only reason Linux gaming is getting good is beca…

> not because of privacy concerns which I guarantee you 99% of Steam Deck users don't give a shit about, they just want to play their games.

I actually agree with everything you said except the above. Valve (and their employees) do actually care about privacy concerns, regardless whether their users do or not. I agree that's not the primary reason they did it (it was because of Windows control as you said), but it isn't a non-zero factor.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by tapia »

bcjdjsndon wrote: post #326
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

> Things run very well out of the box. > a good number of wheels, pedals, joysticks, VR headsets, and other wild and wacky input devices might not work that well or not at all > If a game has an aggressive anticheat, like Battlefield 6 or Valorant, it will not work and you can forget about it > Not sure about VR, but I know it was a bit dire 1-2 years ago The determination of the average Linux user to ignore the faul…

How is Linux fault that some strange peripherals/input devices don't work?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by omnimus »

toinebeg wrote: post #145
kombine wrote: post #128

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This is great! Any plans to add spreadsheets to the suite?

The docs project is part of "La Suite"[1]. They choose Grist[2] as the spreadsheet which is made by an American company but open source and there is a significant contribution from the French it admin. [1] https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ [2] https://www.getgrist.com/

Interesting. By some luck i've been using Grist for two years and it just feels like the most no nonsense software. But it's a bit different to excel, i would say it's more like airtable. It's more columnar like gui over sqlite database which might be a bit more restricting BUT it greatly helps data integrity.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by booleandilemma »

guenthert wrote: post #329

I puzzles me to no end why the typical office clerk should care about the OS at all. I understand that secretaries will be trained on MS Word and will then have a strong preference to use such (or at least something which very closely resembles it). Same for accountants with Excel. But clerks in e.g. Revenue Service? Those I expect to interact (perhaps these days via a Web interface) with custom software. Why would t…

That hasn't been my experience working in Corporate America at all. Everyone gets a company laptop and they use it for whatever they want. Whether that's Excel, Google Sheets, or Netflix at home.

People think company hardware is their personal hardware and they have preferences.

I had a company phone once (terrible experience) and I'd routinely get txts from random services and people outside our company thinking it was the previous owner. The last employee who had used it mixed company use and personal use.

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Post by pjmlp »

satvikpendem wrote: post #336
pjmlp wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing Linux or Windows native games, because that is the whole issue, it is hardly any different than asserting there are Linux games when they are actually Amiga games running with UAE. Those games running on Proton are still produced on a Windows factory.

I wonder if there actually are any native modern Linux games, I don't recall any.

Loki Entertainment in the good old days, anything Android NDK, which uses OpenGL ES/Vulkan/OpenSL/Open MAX.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

embeng4096 wrote: post #338
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

Yep, my casual Steam games run well out of the box. I don’t even use a gaming-focused distro like Bazzite, just EndeavourOS. Helldivers 2, No Rest For The Wicked, Slay The Spire 2, even modded Lethal Company with friends using r2modman (also worked OOTB). And of course Discord works, including streaming when friends want to watch If I really want to play Apex or Battlefield I’ll fire up my dual drive dual boot Window…

why even use custom ones like Endeavor? steam works fine on basic fedora and arch -- have tried on both.
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