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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by sdrm »

robinwhg wrote: post #263
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

Is there a performance hit for cs 2 compared to windows with an rtx card? That‘s pretty much the only thing holding me back.

CS2 has first class linux support. I'm on cachyos specifically, and on my machine it has better performance than on Windows (I made the comparison a couple of months ago, so pretty recent)

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by mickael-kerjean »

palata wrote: post #47
Latitude7973 wrote: post #3

France has been making good moves to achieve software independence from the US. It would be an even better move to allow those in Europe or indeed the rest of the world to also benefit.

> It would be an even better move to allow those in Europe or indeed the rest of the world to also benefit. Those initiatives are usually open source. It's just that many times, each country wants to make their own. But it's still better than staying with the TooBigTech monopolies.

> It's just that many times, each country wants to make their own

This hits hard. I'm a French citizen who made an open source alternative to Dropbox [1], I would have never thought my own government to attempt competing in my niche. I did contact the people at DINUM and it seems they are more interested in making their own than contributing to existing projects they don't fully control

[1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by fainpul »

xorcist wrote: post #254
ethbr1 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the Linux version of AD and group policies? (honestly curious; linux sysadmin at scale not my day job)

I don't know. What's the Windows equivalent of dpkg (from 1993) and ssh (from 1995)? Still nothing, three decades later. Not because Microsoft engineers couldn't do it, of course, but becasue they didn't want to. It doesn't fit the Windows model. They did recently adopt SSH, but that was because they want to use Windows in cloud-like environments, where expectations are set by Linux-style tools. By the time Windows g…

> What's the Windows equivalent of dpkg (from 1993) and ssh (from 1995)?

PowerShell PackageManagement [1] and Remoting [2]

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsof...

[2] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsof...

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ethbr1 »

mbreese wrote: post #276
hug wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was absolutely not the case two decades ago. There were no other options for an enterprise fleet, 20 years ago, if the question was asked. If you weren't Google (who never asked the question anyway), the answer for managing 25,000 endpoints was to use Windows devices with Active Directory as the management plane. Anyone doing anything else was in for a world of hurt... and that's why every enterprise ended up on W…

No, I meant that Windows AD was still the answer two decades ago. I can see how that may not have been clear - I edited my post to include the quote I was replying to. (You said one decade and I was just extending that timeline back another 10 years.) There was LDAP and Kerberos support for *nix management, but nothing you’d deploy over a thousand end devices. And you’re right, it wasn’t a question that got asked, be…

> Kerberos

I remember it almost being a trope at the time that every Kerberos question thread eventually landed on some subtle / niche incompatibility or edge case.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ethbr1 »

kgwxd wrote: post #214
mbreese wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask me a decade ago what an enterprise should do, and my answer would be straightforward: AD, GPO, Exchange. That was also the answer two decades ago. But if AD and GPO are now dead, what killed them and what are the options? Is the problem mobile and BYOD? I’ve been primarily on Macs since that time where endpoint management isn’t much, so there are fewer knobs to fiddle with. In some ways it’s nice in that admins…

No alternative, you can't realistically fully control everything everyone does on every device in their possession. It was job security for useless control freaks, the products never should have existed.

Spoken like someone who has never provided computers to non-technical, minimum-wage users.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by sorbusherra »

lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

For me the biggest surprise was that old ps2 usb racing sim wheel+pedals just worked instantly with linux, and I could use it in dirt rally without any pains. It felt amazing. oculus quest 2 also works very well with alvr, even wirelessly.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by xorcist »

pjc50 wrote: post #262
xorcist wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't it about time someone developed one? Honest question: Why? If you want a Windows-like environment, run Windows. I get this all the time when people ask about a Linux equivalent for something, and aren't really satistied when it doesn't work or look the same. Linux isn't a clone of Windows. Linux comes from an older heritage, and has a unique culture. You are in for a hard time if you want to use Linux like yo…

> If you want a Windows-like environment, run Windows. One of these questions where we, those doing the discourse, need to pick apart what the word "you" refers to here. In this context, it is national governments, who have started to fear that there may come a day when they are not allowed to or able to or safe to run Windows. That gives rise to the question, "how can we get a system that minimizes the disruption of…

Right, I see where you are coming from, I still want to make the stronger argument that we should not strive to re-work Linux in Windows' image. Most such initiatives, like gconf/dconf, have severely degraded the desktop experience.

I have some experience at places where Linux are run on desktops at scale, but they all have in common that these are engineers for whom Linux is the better experience to begin with. It's not like that for administrative staff and management. And as much as I'd like to tell people to use Prezi instead of Powerpoint, and Markdown instead of Word, sometimes Libre Office is the best answer.

We have to be practical. Still, I feel that too often it is engineering that has to use tools intended for administrative people. Once in a while, they other way around may not be that bad.

For a modern workplace, where smartphone and cloud based applications rule, the traditional Windows tools like AD and GP can only do so much. You also need MDM tools, and something like SAML. If you are looking for an out-of-the-box tool that can manage both Linux and Windows clients, Red Hat has FreeIPA. It's not AD, but it goes beyond that capability.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by pjmlp »

lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

Playing Linux or Windows native games, because that is the whole issue, it is hardly any different than asserting there are Linux games when they are actually Amiga games running with UAE.

Those games running on Proton are still produced on a Windows factory.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by Goronmon »

lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

All games I want to play run very well and mostly the process is just "install -> play".

This is largely true for games running directly through Steam, it can get pretty annoying for games that exist outside Steam.

Especially when you have to do things like apply an ".msi" style patch to a game .

It's doable, but the number of steps and tools you may have to pull in (such as protontricks) does get to be a bit of a pain at times.

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