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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by dbdr »

everdrive wrote: post #253
llarsson wrote: post #159

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Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?

They'll start pulling Linux in a direction that suites them, which will potentially be at odds with the preferences of open source software enthusiasts.

They might have an effect in the development of an office suite, possibly of a desktop environment or one specialized Linux distribution. Nobody will be forced to use those specific ones if they don't like them. There are plenty of options in the Linux world.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by kklimonda »

xorcist wrote: post #254
ethbr1 wrote: post #222

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What's the Linux version of AD and group policies? (honestly curious; linux sysadmin at scale not my day job)

I don't know. What's the Windows equivalent of dpkg (from 1993) and ssh (from 1995)? Still nothing, three decades later. Not because Microsoft engineers couldn't do it, of course, but becasue they didn't want to. It doesn't fit the Windows model. They did recently adopt SSH, but that was because they want to use Windows in cloud-like environments, where expectations are set by Linux-style tools. By the time Windows g…

Isn't WinRM/PowerShell/RDP equivalent of SSH, and dpdk/apt-get is basically .msi with group policies for installation? This has been there for decades probably?

Group Policies also allow you to enforce things like browser configuration (proxy, homepage, search engine etc.) wallpapers, screen locks etc.

Can this be done on Linux? Honestly, I have no idea - I think gnome with gsettings/dconf can do that, but can KDE?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ethbr1 »

ndriscoll wrote: post #187
ChocolateGod wrote: post #120

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> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

I've never understood the management thing. People manage fleets of Linux machines all the time. What does group policy do that e.g. nix or ansible don't?

Fuse membership and inheritance-based object (in the sense of 'any computing thing or person') ontology with configurability?

The insight in AD+GPO wasn't in either thing, but in the +. Each would be far less useful without the other.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by kakacik »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #120
esskay wrote: post #12

Yeah good on them, everyone needs to do this. It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic, buggy mess it is. "Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age. Big orgs and especially government entities should be hiring the people that know what they're doing and get off that crummy platform.

> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

No non-US government should host anything on azure, or any other US-owned cloud. Thats security and sovereignity 101, or more like 100. Reality with hostile US being as it is.

What you list are no showstoppers, and since its a well known topic I cant imagine why some EU-funded effort in say 2 billions over next 3-5 years shouldnt reaolve it once and for all, for entire world. Well invested money.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ethbr1 »

Lihh27 wrote: post #236
ChocolateGod wrote: post #120

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> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

that's the catch with gp/ad. for a lot of orgs the hard part is intune/entra now. swapping the desktop is easy. replacing identity and device management is the real migration

Doesn't the Azure team own Intune/Entra now? Read: less inclined to give a fuck about artificially protecting Windows desktop.

I've no idea what current internal Microsoft org divisions are.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by mrtksn »

microtonal wrote: post #280
mrtksn wrote: post #266

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If Apple can't work out a legal structure that works, it will be forced to refund for the devices then so the consumer can use the money to buy compliant devices probably from Korea or China. EU can work out special deal with the Asian manufacturers as there will be hundreds of millions of people with cash in hand looking to buy a high end smartphone. Being messy isn't a worse outcome than US invasion. Europeans aren…

If Apple can't work out a legal structure that work, it will be forced to refund for the devices How is that going to happen if the US attacked Europe?

EU freezes/takes over all Apple assets in EU, users with Apple devices get the money in cash upon delivering their devices. If the money isn't enough for the refunds, a finance mechanism can be created that will be settle after the war.

The returned devices may be sold to 3rd party markets if Apple isn't cooperating.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by kakacik »

ethbr1 wrote: post #211
llarsson wrote: post #159

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Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?

> Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open You'd get a clusterfuck of a consensus spec, then they'd all get pissed off and develop their own incompatible versions anyway? Have you seen international projects without strong, centralized leadership?

I have worked on things like PSD2, a well oiled government-led machine that just works. There are some dysfunctional things, then there are things working perfectly fine.

You need to update your notes its not 90s.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by Zak »

soco wrote: post #175
chocochunks wrote: post #133

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Huh? There's a ton of PowerPoint alternatives that work on Linux. LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora Office, Calligra Stage, Google Slides, the online version of PowerPoint, more techy things like LaTeX Beamer or Reveal.js. Maybe these don't have perfect PowerPoint compatibility, or some niche PowerPoint feature you need but there's plenty of slide deck making options that work on Linux.

I'd think the only Office part difficult to replace is Excel. It has a lot of functionality, provides a lot of value and is the workhorse of most business processes I see. Now how do you replace THAT?

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by prmoustache »

cs02rm0 wrote: post #160
chocochunks wrote: post #133

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Huh? There's a ton of PowerPoint alternatives that work on Linux. LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora Office, Calligra Stage, Google Slides, the online version of PowerPoint, more techy things like LaTeX Beamer or Reveal.js. Maybe these don't have perfect PowerPoint compatibility, or some niche PowerPoint feature you need but there's plenty of slide deck making options that work on Linux.

And then Canva, Prezi, etc. I can't understand the idea that there's no alternative to PowerPoint on Linux either.

Presentation has been a solved problem for more than 2 decades already.

Whenever we are talking migration out of the windows world, there is always a group of MS fanboys that pretend that you can't replace a software with another one if it doesn't even have the exact same set of features down to the smallest details while totally ignoring the interesting features the replacement can have.

The reality is there are never 1:1 replacement and Microsoft would have never had any sort of success in the office area to begin with that sort of nitpicking.

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