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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by kklimonda »

ethbr1 wrote: post #222
xorcist wrote: post #210

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> Isn't it about time someone developed one? Honest question: Why? If you want a Windows-like environment, run Windows. I get this all the time when people ask about a Linux equivalent for something, and aren't really satistied when it doesn't work or look the same. Linux isn't a clone of Windows. Linux comes from an older heritage, and has a unique culture. You are in for a hard time if you want to use Linux like yo…

What's the Linux version of AD and group policies? (honestly curious; linux sysadmin at scale not my day job)

Lixnux version of AD is FreeIPA, with group policies translating to dconf - at least that was the way "enterprise" linux vendors (like RH or Canonical) were moving towards.

Now, how well is dconf integrated with all the software you want to run is another thing (it was done by GNOME, and ignored by KDE), and whether this is still the way they are all moving is yet another question but the infrastructure was being built.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by blitzar »

carlosjobim wrote: post #26
spiderfarmer wrote: post #17

Being dependent on US tech feels the same as when we were dependent on Russian energy: strategically unwise and avoidable. We have alternatives, they just need work.

Like last time, I ask again: Which are the European made computers?

The goal isnt to become independent of China / Taiwan / the rest of Asia. The goal is to become independent of America.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by fao_ »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #264
llarsson wrote: post #159

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Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?

Most of the cost (to the government) for Windows is "support" (in a very general sense) and that cost isn't disappearing with Linux. Especially since it is easier to find badly underpaid (and not particularly competent) Windows sysadmins than it is to find badly underpaid Linux admins.

Ok but the license fees are, what, 50 quid? times say, 3k or 30k people? A 150k or 1.5m injection into the linux ecosystem to develop those would pay for a _lot_ of developers and a _lot_ of developer time.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by nixass »

orochimaaru wrote: post #195
llarsson wrote: post #159

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Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?

Why haven’t they done it yet? I just think they’re incentivized enough for it.

> yet

Best time to start doing it was yesterday. Second best time to start doing it now. They are at "now" step.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by [deleted] »

carlosjobim wrote: post #114
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #32

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What are the American-made computers? The Apple macbook assembled in China with Korean displays and Taiwanese chips?

I haven't mentioned America or any other continent. It is the Europeans who are shouting about sovereignty right now. Americans for their part would probably be very happy to use made-in-Europe software on their computers whenever applicable.

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by mbreese »

hug wrote: post #243
mbreese wrote: post #198

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> Ask me a decade ago what an enterprise should do, and my answer would be straightforward: AD, GPO, Exchange. That was also the answer two decades ago. But if AD and GPO are now dead, what killed them and what are the options? Is the problem mobile and BYOD? I’ve been primarily on Macs since that time where endpoint management isn’t much, so there are fewer knobs to fiddle with. In some ways it’s nice in that admins…

It was absolutely not the case two decades ago. There were no other options for an enterprise fleet, 20 years ago, if the question was asked. If you weren't Google (who never asked the question anyway), the answer for managing 25,000 endpoints was to use Windows devices with Active Directory as the management plane. Anyone doing anything else was in for a world of hurt... and that's why every enterprise ended up on W…

No, I meant that Windows AD was still the answer two decades ago. I can see how that may not have been clear - I edited my post to include the quote I was replying to. (You said one decade and I was just extending that timeline back another 10 years.)

There was LDAP and Kerberos support for *nix management, but nothing you’d deploy over a thousand end devices.

And you’re right, it wasn’t a question that got asked, because there wasn’t ever a second choice - AD was the only option.

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Post by falcor84 »

tekla wrote: post #152
CalRobert wrote: post #147

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I haven’t seen power point used professionally for over a decade. All google (though I’ve made the odd prezi)

I continue to be impressed as to how much of a bubble HN people reside in. A very small bubble.

I'm actually constantly surprised by the diversity of experiences I'm seeing here. It's very much not a small bubble, at least not in comparison to any other social network/activity in my life.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by Zigurd »

ethbr1 wrote: post #241
Zigurd wrote: post #221

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Personal computers were used in office environments long before the technologies to make them administer-able as if they were a mainframe. Before blindly jumping in and reproducing those technologies, better to ask why they emerged in the first place. Most workplaces don't have strict bans on personal mobile devices, and some of the ones that do, don't have the kind of physical perimeter defense that can detect peopl…

> Most workplaces don't have strict bans on personal mobile devices If you're talking about select work apps on your mobile device, sure, but that's limited attack surface. If you're talking about employers who let unmanaged mobile devices hop on their internal network... I've never seen that. Maybe at a hypothetically perfect zero-trust shop?

I've seen a lot of un-seriousness about security. One that's easy to spot is old unpatched IP phones that aren't segregated on the network. I've given demos at companies that are serious, where a device I accidentally left behind caused an urgent search of every room I had been in. Security didn't have to be told which rooms those were.

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Post by unbrice »

pjc50 wrote: post #252
mbreese wrote: post #230

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Well AD is just a really opinionated LDAP/Kerberos setup, so you’d think that there would be something that Linux could do. But when you’re talking about enterprise management of thousands of devices, you need some kind of consistent security policy management. That requires running OS software that accepts remote policy management, which is a very specialized configuration and not just “vanilla Linux”. You can get r…

> That requires running OS software that accepts remote policy management Every Linux system that supports SSH potentially "accepts" remote management! The challenge is just putting it into a framework.

The gaps: Pull VS Push, Imperative vs Declarative and Discovery being hard.

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Post by microtonal »

mrtksn wrote: post #266
microtonal wrote: post #244

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Open up iOS etc, bring all the servers to EU. How is that going to work? Apple will still be under the CLOUD Act, so Europe would still be vulnerable. The only solution would be for Apple to fork into two completely separate companies, which is unlikely to happen. Most likely there will initially just be a lot of chaos, because nobody is prepared for this scenario. There will be huge supply issues, COVID will look li…

If Apple can't work out a legal structure that works, it will be forced to refund for the devices then so the consumer can use the money to buy compliant devices probably from Korea or China. EU can work out special deal with the Asian manufacturers as there will be hundreds of millions of people with cash in hand looking to buy a high end smartphone. Being messy isn't a worse outcome than US invasion. Europeans aren…

If Apple can't work out a legal structure that work, it will be forced to refund for the devices

How is that going to happen if the US attacked Europe?

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