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Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by saagarjha »

godelski wrote: post #146

I think Apple is making a really fatal flaw. Tbh Microsoft is doing it too. Design good interfaces, with sane defaults but do not handcuff power users!!! I often hear people say no one should care because there aren't many power users. They're a small portion, but that's absurd framing. They matter a lot because they're the ones that push your design language, develop new ideas, influence the general community, build…

I mean this could be solved really easily if the team that works on this exposed some settings to tweak the animation speed. They don't even need UI, people would find them anyway. The problem is the people who work on this do all the animations for windows etc. and I have no idea how they develop this stuff but presumably HI just comes down to them with some number they hardcode into their software so nobody can ever change it.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by tmarice »

zahma wrote: post #229

Imagine being so intelligent to do so many things with a skill set, yet choosing to spend so much time on an animation that can be measured in microseconds. The proportions are staggering. Truly bizarre to me how something I’ve never even noticed while using the feature could drive a person to this level of obsession.

I had a similar stance on this until I went through macOS -> linux with i3 -> back to macOS transition. i3 window and workspace operations on a maxed-out Dell XPS were truly instantaneous, and after moving back to macOS, there is no way to unsee the slugishness of the native window operations.

I'm using Aerospace at the moment, and it gets pretty close, but still isn't as nice as i3.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by modernerd »

> Pay for a license for BetterTouchTool. Enable “Move Right Space (Without Animation)” and “Move Left Space (Without Animation)”.

I did not know BTT supported this until today!

You can just set up the trackpad 4-finger swipe actions globally: https://cleanshot.com/share/P0K1PGC1

Then in System Settings set "swipe between full-screen applications" to "off" in Trackpad settings under "more gestures" so that BTT's shortcut applies instead of the system-level one.

Works well. No extra software needed if you already have BTT, which is worth the money for me purely for "alt+drag a window from anywhere" style window movement. That setting is buried deep under BetterTouchTool Settings → Window Snapping & Moving → Moving & Resizing Modifier Keys: https://cleanshot.com/share/mnF9xBkW

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by jurplel »

aylmao wrote: post #52

I grew up with this animation so I didn't consider it annoying until I bought a new Macbook a couple years ago. I noticed sometimes I would press keyboard shortcuts before my system's focus had switched. Just little stumbles here and there, some inoffensive, some annoying, but who knows maybe I didn't catch enough sleep. Over time it happened often enough that I decided to google it, and it turns out my muscle memory…

I have noticed this bug years before Apple started selling 120hz displays. I thought for sure they would fix it after that, but to my surprise it has persisted...

I think it must go back to High Sierra or Mojave at least.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by jurplel »

ryanmcbride wrote: post #101
veber-alex wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such an insane bug to still have around all these years. Are apple engineers not using macOS?

I mean, their damn phone keyboards are so bad I'm 100% confident that Tim only does voice to text on his phone. There's no way that the CEO of a company could use a keyboard that horrible and not want to fix it.

This, along with circle to search (for translating, mainly) are the current main things pushing me to stay on Android.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by dewey »

modernerd wrote: post #233

> Pay for a license for BetterTouchTool. Enable “Move Right Space (Without Animation)” and “Move Left Space (Without Animation)”. I did not know BTT supported this until today! You can just set up the trackpad 4-finger swipe actions globally: https://cleanshot.com/share/P0K1PGC1 Then in System Settings set "swipe between full-screen applications" to "off" in Trackpad settings under "more gestures" so that BTT's short…

Also great from the same developer BetterSnapTool. This is always the first software that I install on my Mac as it allows me to move windows around with keyboard shortcuts. There's many others doing that but I have a license already and only use these 5 key mappings.

I've set it up the following way: https://img.notmyhostna.me/8tck91QCL7DB9N8l3d3q

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

harrall wrote: post #133
PaulHoule wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple's self-image of being the epitome of design actually acts against them. Leads to monstrosities like Liquid Glass kinda vandalizing random parts of the UI in small ways that I intuitively read as "they are anti-anti-aliasing" not "they added cool refraction effects." It used to be you'd see something in a well-chosen color, now it is just a muddy kind of greyish brownish whatever. I'd like to see them ma…

My pet opinion is that Steve Jobs was an asshole but an asshole that used his own products and used his powers of complaining to steer the whole ship to fix major "this annoys me everyday" bugs. From my experience, "annoying but not blockers" bugs are often very neglected compared to (1) bugs that actually break things and (2) feature work. Neglecting quality of life issues leads to the "do you even use your product?…

The thing / issue at this point is though: how much is Jobs still responsible for Apple's ongoing success? He died 15 years ago, two years after Apple introduced "flat design" (to much criticism at the time but people got used to it). But after his passing, Apple's market value went from ~500 billion to ~4 trillion today, more than an 8-fold multiplication.

I find it hard to believe that his influence was so strong that it had an inertia that lasted for 15 years. Ive left his mark on it for longer.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by modernerd »

dewey wrote: post #236
modernerd wrote: post #233

> Pay for a license for BetterTouchTool. Enable “Move Right Space (Without Animation)” and “Move Left Space (Without Animation)”. I did not know BTT supported this until today! You can just set up the trackpad 4-finger swipe actions globally: https://cleanshot.com/share/P0K1PGC1 Then in System Settings set "swipe between full-screen applications" to "off" in Trackpad settings under "more gestures" so that BTT's short…

Also great from the same developer BetterSnapTool. This is always the first software that I install on my Mac as it allows me to move windows around with keyboard shortcuts. There's many others doing that but I have a license already and only use these 5 key mappings. I've set it up the following way: https://img.notmyhostna.me/8tck91QCL7DB9N8l3d3q

Nice, I use Raycast for this (with global shortcuts from Raycast settings): https://www.raycast.com/core-features/window-management

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by TMschar »

xz18r wrote: post #44

I see yabai mentioned, definitely check out Aerospace. Ive tried multiple WMs after years of i3 on Linux and this is the best one I found (for me) with quite a margin. It just works (tm) https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace

Another happy Aerospace user here!

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by TMschar »

TMschar wrote: post #239
xz18r wrote: post #44

I see yabai mentioned, definitely check out Aerospace. Ive tried multiple WMs after years of i3 on Linux and this is the best one I found (for me) with quite a margin. It just works (tm) https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace

Another happy Aerospace user here!

Also paired it with sketchybar!
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