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Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

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Post by autuni »

it's besides the point of the post but

> That argument is not unreasonable on its face. Artists should have rights. Their work should not be scraped, repackaged, and turned into infinite output without consent. But that is not the whole story. These companies don’t want to stop AI Music generation, they want to own it.

I'm not sure I agree with that assumption - flooding the market with large amounts of generated music (regardless of who does it) will decrease the value of UMG's products (real artists and AI songs) drastically to a point where I'm not sure that they would still have a viable business. While I disagree with a lot of what they do, I do assume that they have an interest in protecting music made by artists, not music generated as a product (though of course they also produce music like products with a lot of their human "artists").

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#13

Post by laughing_man »

ddtaylor wrote: post #10

I had a strange and similar interaction with Google recently. I was asked to do the Android developer verification, but then I missed a deadline at some point. Support said that I would need to create a new Google account for all of this. I said this was unacceptable as this was a Google account I had for nearly 25 years and I didn't want to create another. They said tough luck, go make the new account. Luckily, I ha…

I'm surprised you were able to get a person to address your issue.

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#14

Post by tverbeure »

aquir wrote: post #5

Sad story but this has been written by an LLM (to original short story has been inflated by and LLM to turn into an "article"). Speak w/ your bank and ask them to block future charges - easy.

The thing is so unreadable one would think that it's a parody of an LLM article.

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#15

Post by ozgrakkurt »

autuni wrote: post #11

it's besides the point of the post but > That argument is not unreasonable on its face. Artists should have rights. Their work should not be scraped, repackaged, and turned into infinite output without consent. But that is not the whole story. These companies don’t want to stop AI Music generation, they want to own it. I'm not sure I agree with that assumption - flooding the market with large amounts of generated mus…

> flooding the market with large amounts of generated music (regardless of who does it) will decrease the value of UMG's products (real artists and AI songs) drastically to a point where I'm not sure that they would still have a viable business.

This is questionable. Did generated code decrease the price of software products?

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#16

Post by sometimes_all »

Could not get through the article because it looks like LLM generated text squared.

But I assume people will have protections against this? One can just let their credit card company know to block out the next payment, or dispute the charges; I am assuming the user will have adequate proof that they aren't able to get to their subscription account.

While what Google is doing here is scummy, I'm assuming that multiple consumer reversals will make at least a minor dent to their financial reputation with the banks? Did this even need so much AI text?

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#17

Post by golem14 »

ddtaylor wrote: post #10

I had a strange and similar interaction with Google recently. I was asked to do the Android developer verification, but then I missed a deadline at some point. Support said that I would need to create a new Google account for all of this. I said this was unacceptable as this was a Google account I had for nearly 25 years and I didn't want to create another. They said tough luck, go make the new account. Luckily, I ha…

Had similar experience. My best guess is that the account never went through the various age verification flows (since it was that old, it predated all that) and ended up being marked for deletion- I suspect that they had a bug (legal or in code) that prevented warning emails to get out. I got lucky to detect it early, since they disabled AI a few weeks before account deletion.

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#18

Post by sakjur »

autuni wrote: post #11

it's besides the point of the post but > That argument is not unreasonable on its face. Artists should have rights. Their work should not be scraped, repackaged, and turned into infinite output without consent. But that is not the whole story. These companies don’t want to stop AI Music generation, they want to own it. I'm not sure I agree with that assumption - flooding the market with large amounts of generated mus…

There are a lot of executives acting in a way that makes me believe they're less interested in viability than causing a stockmarket supernova.

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#19

Post by autuni »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #15
autuni wrote: post #11

it's besides the point of the post but > That argument is not unreasonable on its face. Artists should have rights. Their work should not be scraped, repackaged, and turned into infinite output without consent. But that is not the whole story. These companies don’t want to stop AI Music generation, they want to own it. I'm not sure I agree with that assumption - flooding the market with large amounts of generated mus…

> flooding the market with large amounts of generated music (regardless of who does it) will decrease the value of UMG's products (real artists and AI songs) drastically to a point where I'm not sure that they would still have a viable business. This is questionable. Did generated code decrease the price of software products?

I get what you mean but I don't really think they are comparable, since one of them is art and the other is typically product development. Art factors in the person behind the art piece, software (or other products) does not. The value of art is tied to the skill, creativity and experience required to make it as good as it is (at least in most people's mind).

But also, the main claim of the advantages of code generation is that it will make software development cheaper, and will end up making software cheaper. This is currently not necessarily the case because the quality of the code generation is not really there to make actual (reliable) product development cheaper, but it helps a lot with rapid prototyping. Or as I see it, more things are being prototyped and never finished. What also factors into this is that there are not many incentives for big tech companies to lower their prices, because a lot of what they're offering are tools that we need. This is also not the case with generated music.

Re: YouTube locked my accounts and I can't cancel my subscription

#20

Post by grebc »

altairprime wrote: post #3
h4kunamata wrote: post #2

Easy fix, wait for the next billing, contact the bank explaining what happened, and block that and future debits. At least in Australia, this shouldn't be a problem.

By comparison, Goldman, the bank operating Apple Card in the U.S., has previously refused to perform that block future debits process for me; they simply didn’t have the capability. I ended up closing my account with them to stop the charges, which worked perfectly. I envy Australia’s apparent regulation to compel merchants to do so.

I think it’s the bank that blocks the merchant here in Aus.
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