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Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

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PSA: On the surface it looks great - but it's something that spawns a Python server (with uv - I think) and does communicate with it during tests. I don't think it's complexity we need to take on on our unit tests.

A saner approach would be to start with a FFI-friendly language and create bindings. I don't think just being able to use an already written framework in Python is worth the trade-off.

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

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post #21

PSA: On the surface it looks great - but it's something that spawns a Python server (with uv - I think) and does communicate with it during tests. I don't think it's complexity we need to take on on our unit tests. A saner approach would be to start with a FFI-friendly language and create bindings. I don't think just being able to use an already written framework in Python is worth the trade-off.

> A saner approach would be to start with a FFI-friendly language and create bindings. I don't think just being able to use an already written framework in Python is worth the trade-off.

For what it's worth the devs say their "current long-term plan is to implement a second Hegel server in Rust" [0], so the current state of affairs is probably a compromise between getting something usable for end users out and something more "sane", as you put it.

[0]: https://antithesis.com/blog/2026/hegel/#what%E2%80%99s-next

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

#23

Oh god, as someone who studies and admires Hegel, please change the name from Hegel.

On the other hand, I have quite the visceral reaction to the name because of the influence Hegel had on Marx, and subsequent 20th century critical theorists.

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

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Oh god, as someone who studies and admires Hegel, please change the name from Hegel.

Completely agree. It's absolutely awful having software projects squatting on the names of great philosophers and artists. I appreciate that perhaps the author wanted to show their appreciation, but there are plenty of other equally communicative options.

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

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I didn't expect to see Hegel when opening up HN today! Feel free to ask any questions about it. We released hegel-go earlier this week, and plan to release hegel-cpp sometime next week, so look forward to that :)

How exciting! I wrote my own pbt lib for zig (https://github.com/AntoineBalaine/zlowcheck) and it made me sad I couldn't get it nearly close to hypothesis. Looking forward to see this grow! Any hope for ffi through the c abi?

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

#28

I’m studying currently Phenomenology of Geist. No code is so gard to read as it.

Blah I need to get around to this!

I often gesture towards this phenomenology when religious folk casually attempt to claim "spirit" as some form of belief they hold over me. I honestly don't know if I've developed the position well, it is almost entirely through the lens of continental philosophy absorbing Hegel, but I use it to illustrate that my concept of spirit, as an atheist, may not be a different phenomenological occurrence than that of a religious framing and even shares the quality of a rich historical lineage I can draw from. I could just as easily retreat into untranslated German that sounds poetic or prophetic to the uninitiated, but that would be doing exactly what I'm asking them not to do, leaning on a vocabulary the other person can't engage with without first conceding the ground it's built on. This seems to effectively persuade them to adjust their vocabulary to a register I can actually engage with without needing to hedge for the axiomatic differences we have.

This is a comfortable mode of engagement and it is one I can share with religious folk, but I do find they often refuse this register and I will admit I can't always articulate why I find their refusal frustrating either.

Re: Hegel, a universal property-based testing protocol and family of PBT libraries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yo what has been the coolest thing about Hegel's philosophy you learned?

(I can really only do your question a modicum of justice by answering metaphorically.) That Anglo-American analytic philosophy, which has dominated much of 20th century Western philosophy and Western thought, was doomed from the start. It treated ontological Being as fixed, as beings nailed to a wall, lifeless and immobile. Hegelian philosophy, more than anything, is about movement.

Wait I thought Heidegger claimed that title? Or is he the guy who shifted Being from a noun to a verb, and Hegel's still focusing on the noun (just that the noun itself is a moving concept)?
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