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Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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post #579

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You seem to have misunderstood the invention. It’s not about cyclists wearing headphones.

Bicycle bells can be used to warn other cyclists

Not if they wear thick or noise-cancelling headphones.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#592
post #306

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That’s a crappy pressure vessel holding 350ml of 80psi air, for about 100J of stored energy. I’m not entirely sure I’d be comfortable with that, especially anywhere with my face in the line of fire it it fails.

Your bike already has two crappy 80psi pressure vessels, why not three?

Because the danger posed by a fairly low energy pressure vessel is highly related to it's failure mode. That's why OSHA has rules about what compressed air pipes can be made of--it's not about the pressure resistance, it's about what will happen if one fails.

It's likewise why most military boom is mostly not actually boom. With artillery you obviously need a very tough case, but standard aircraft-dropped iron bombs are mostly that: iron. They don't need that kind of strength except specialized bunker-busters, they're built that way because for a given weight of bomb you'll do more damage by throwing bits of bomb casing from a smaller charge than from a bigger charge without the fragments.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#593
post #539

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Oh I know. They look at me while turning left cutting me off. Maybe I need a bigger bike, the 2cyl 400cc is particularly invisible. ;) Best one was a woman who cut me off doing her left turn. I high-beamed her and honked. She put her hands in front of her face and came to a dead stop in my lane directly in front of me. I was already braking before I honked. Nothing happened. I stopped wondering and just assume everyo…

> I high-beamed her and honked. She put her hands in front of her face and came to a dead stop in my lane directly in front of me. Personally I skip the honking and high beams. Just perform evasive action assuming driver will continue on their current path at roughly their current speed. Swerving behind their path of travel usually works great. Spooked drivers behave erratically. Very dangerous. So far I've had 0 ser…

Honking is more for the people behind/around me. I also don't want to be hit by inattentive people following me to closely.

May I ask where you are riding? I am currently in Bavaria. The danger level is usually higher after the winter. Drivers need to re-accustom themselves to sharing the road with two wheeled riders.

Evasive action could be even more dangerous in cities. In my experience being able to come to a stop without hitting anything is even better.

Lot's of dead people had the right of way. Ride safe, I agree. I also had 0 accidents so far in 30 years. But you still experience new things you hadn't thought would be an issue.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#594
post #357

This seems to be part of a type of brand marketing where a brand claims it has invented something, but the only thing that ever exists of significant economic value is the attention raised by the promo video / article. Not the thing/service. Examples: - Samsung safety truck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GNGfse9ZK8 - Citroën motion sickness glasses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aco63dlq_WE - Amazon Prime Air http…

Any innovation benefiting cyclists and coming from the auto industry is a way to move attention away from the fact that cars are the most dangerous thing on the road.

I thought the use case would be for cyclists to alert runners with NC headphones that the cyclist is about to pass them

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#595
post #498

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I think there's a broader indication of an arms race between noise cancellation systems and things that want to be heard, like advertising. And this just-happening-to-exist bandpass that the DuoBell is depending on could easily become collateral damage in that fight.

I was going to make a joke about advertisers working in some kind of ultrasonic modulation to their audio so it breaks ANC (I'm aware this wouldn't really work) but then thought, whats more likely, advertisers doing that, or advertisers partnering with 80% of ANC chip makers to just let them by-pass with specific tone markers... Then we'll be hacking our headphones with specific 3d printed clip-ons that involve a par…

"Dad, why do our coffee filters advertise that they can run fast fourier transforms?"

"Well, kid, back in the year 2026, there was this bicycle bell.."

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#596
post #525

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Well, obviously. What else did you expect to be the most dangerous thing on roads? Sharks?

A tank.

Or a Ford f150: https://www.jalopnik.com/youre-not-wrong-american-trucks-and...

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#597
post #570

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Oof. If yes, you might be about to get nailed. If no, will the dog run after me and bite me? I’ve had a dog on my heels doing doing 40kmh. They were at my heel, past the back of my rear tyre. I was briefly a competitive sprint cyclist.

FWIW, it's better to stop and talk to the dog. Dogs don't really want to bite you, most will just chase you and don't really even know why. If you stop and confront them, they are confused and don't know what to do next. Get off the bike on the side opposite of the dog and keep the bike between you and the dog just in case, if you are afraid.

Nope, I was out of there. This one was a biter.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#598
post #539

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> I high-beamed her and honked. She put her hands in front of her face and came to a dead stop in my lane directly in front of me. Personally I skip the honking and high beams. Just perform evasive action assuming driver will continue on their current path at roughly their current speed. Swerving behind their path of travel usually works great. Spooked drivers behave erratically. Very dangerous. So far I've had 0 ser…

Honking is more for the people behind/around me. I also don't want to be hit by inattentive people following me to closely. May I ask where you are riding? I am currently in Bavaria. The danger level is usually higher after the winter. Drivers need to re-accustom themselves to sharing the road with two wheeled riders. Evasive action could be even more dangerous in cities. In my experience being able to come to a stop…

> May I ask where you are riding?

San Francisco Bay Area. I never got into motorcycling back in Europe although the roads are lovely, the short riding season felt like a deterrent. Also the extremely long process to get a license.

Here in CA it was almost scary easy to get M certified.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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> I find it extremely rude to ring the bell, because it feels like I'm telling people to get out of my way, I got yelled at very rudely the other day for overtaking a pedestrian without ringing my bell. I thought I had plenty of space, rode at an appropriate speed and didn't want to be rude, like you said, but I guess you can never please everyone.

It sounds silly, but apart from liking the sound, this is why I really like wheels with loud hubs. I have a pair of Hunt wheels and they work fantastically, bonus points because they are “always on”, pedestrians are aware of them, but are never surprised.

I hate loud hubs. So disturbing. Also comes across as passive aggressive.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#600
post #535

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Thank you, I'm a cyclist too and I always try to respect pedestrians' space, and it really pisses me off when people don't. In many cities cycling on pavement is not allowed, yet some cyclists do it... which I'd be fine with, provided they understand that they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing and that they have no priority. But when they're invading pedestrian space like that AND ring the bell as i…

> But when they're invading pedestrian space like that AND ring the bell as if people were supposed to be making way for them Honestly, I prefer that over those damn electric scooters. Most people who ride them are complete morons. They don't pay attention, ride into traffic, go at high speeds and don't care about anyone except themselves. I’ve even been hit by one.

YES! I get the point of mobility and all that but I wish someone would give a ticket to some of those a-holes. Honestly, town halls have been looking the other way for far too long on this matter.
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