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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by abalaji »

Honestly, tbh it just looks like a skill issue when looking through their feed:

https://x.com/EFF

Making content platform "native" and garner attention is hard work and while their first party content might be great, it isn't great "X" content which is part of the problem. There are many examples of legacy organizations optimizing for the platform and garner a lot of attention:

https://x.com/JohnCarreyrou/status/2041737922458599477?s=20

Also, people want to hear from individuals or a distinct voice, not an organization:

https://x.com/FFmpeg

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by runako »

Some context.

Worth keeping in mind that Twitter/X is something like the 8th largest US-based social media site. Like it's ~1/6 the size of Facebook.

It's in all probability smaller than Pinterest (we cannot get trustworthy numbers from Twitter/X). LinkedIn is 2x its size, and real people across a swath of society use it. Knocking Threads for the Instagram distribution is silly because part of the point of posting is to get distribution. This is a PLUS for Threads, which organically is still close to Twitter/X's size.

Nobody is saying it's urgent for brands to be on Quora, a close size mate.

Of these sites, Twitter/X is the only one that (effectively) requires brands to pay to post.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by poszlem »

Brendinooo wrote: post #20

That statement pretty clearly shows that they have certain ideological concerns that they value more highly than the kind of stuff we tend to think the EFF primarily cares about (digital privacy, open source, patent trolling, etc). Through that lens, I guess it makes sense that they see TikTok, Instagram, and BlueSky as worth their time and presence but not X.

Another victim of the long march through the institutions.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by Fezzik »

Invictus0 wrote: post #568
lynndotpy wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, EFF is a civil liberties group and always has been, which makes it a purely ideological movement. Let's be honest and look at the engagement numbers of the post announcing this: X post: 124 comments, 79 reblogs, and 337 likes BlueSky post: 245 comments, 1400 reblogs, and 6.2K likes Mastodon post: 403 reposts, 458 likes These numbers, combined with the facts that Mastodon and BlueSky are aligned with internet fre…

Which internet freedoms is X strongly aligned against?

All of them, I think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_freedom

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by catlover76 »

jl6 wrote: post #625

Seems like any activist org should have two audiences: 1) Supporters who may become donors 2) Neutrals/opponents who may become supporters. If you only ever communicate in forums where people already agree with you, you’ll probably have optimized your fundraising, but will probably never achieve your actual purpose. Activist orgs have to reach and turn the non-supporters somehow, and the absolute best way to achieve…

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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by tts626 »

michaelhoney wrote: post #628
jl6 wrote: post #625

Seems like any activist org should have two audiences: 1) Supporters who may become donors 2) Neutrals/opponents who may become supporters. If you only ever communicate in forums where people already agree with you, you’ll probably have optimized your fundraising, but will probably never achieve your actual purpose. Activist orgs have to reach and turn the non-supporters somehow, and the absolute best way to achieve…

yeah, but twitter is 90% assholes these days

sadly, all social media is 90% a-holes these days

exactly why so many are turning it off, trying to get healthy, not just looking for another echo chamber to feed their egos

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by episode404 »

foobiekr wrote: post #657
sgnelson wrote: post #471

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It is completely obvious that a lot of tech workers are basically evil. They get paid to work on evil things that hurt society and want to not feel like terrible people. See the thread on Musk and the cone head on self reflection.

I'm sure we humans can do better than "everyone who disagrees with me politically is evil"

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by hitekker »

jl6 wrote: post #625

Seems like any activist org should have two audiences: 1) Supporters who may become donors 2) Neutrals/opponents who may become supporters. If you only ever communicate in forums where people already agree with you, you’ll probably have optimized your fundraising, but will probably never achieve your actual purpose. Activist orgs have to reach and turn the non-supporters somehow, and the absolute best way to achieve…

> signalling the end of focused goal-oriented activism in favor of the dilute, general grievance mire

An earlier signal was when the EFF ejected one of their founders from the board for disagreeing with their mission creep https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/25/john_gilmore_removed_... See http://www.toad.com/gnu/ and also the HN thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28992462

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by array_key_first »

rapatel0 wrote: post #660
jfengel wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, dealing with The Enemy is not only funding them, but lending your credibility. Maybe it would be worth it if, as you say, they are finding ways to reach non-supporters, but Twitter has been X for almost four years. If the EFF finds that they're not recruiting people from among their opponents, then they can reasonably say that they've spent enough time trying.

Credibility with who? We’re so polarized that a single binary label will shift all credibility. Experience, success, credentials none of it matters anymore. The left thinks everything on the right is stupid and evil, the right does the same, and everyone drinks their own kool aid. We’ve all stopped listening.

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