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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by dmschulman »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #558
davidw wrote: post #118

My grandparents were pretty WASPy, conservative people who lived in northern Idaho. And they hated the white supremacist/neonazi groups up there with a burning passion. They were of an age to remember people going off to fight in Germany and Asia against that kind of ideology. They would have been absolutely appalled and ashamed to see a business leader throwing those salutes and backing it up with talk of a "white h…

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One of the biggest accounts on X hosts one of the most listened to podcasts on Spotify/Apple and has a huge following that's grown exponentially since 2023. He's an active Holocaust denier, proud antisemite, and dined with the president and members of his cabinet on more than one occasion.

To say there's no growing movement towards Nazi and anti-Jewish ideologies is to be willfully ignorant of the world around you.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by sixothree »

rockskon wrote: post #245
pjc50 wrote: post #27

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The reach and impressions on Twitter are fake though, and posts containing links are suppressed. (Of course the EFF are ideological, that's their entire purpose!)

Sometimes it's not just about quantity. Not all impressions are equal. And like it or not - Twitter is still the preferred communication platform of quite a few influential people.

I don't like it and I haven't used it since before the whole nazi salute thing. I feel gross just accidentally following links to that place. Why would I support it or the people who use it?

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by wwweston »

saila wrote: post #489
EngineerUSA wrote: post #446

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I'd suggest you dig a little deeper into American history. For example, "America First" isn't a new slogan. It's been used in its current sense for at least a century. Murdoch via Roger Ailes poured oil on the fire, but that was only possible because the sentiment already existed here and always has.

You’re right that this has always existed and at times even driven governance and society in the US.

There’s also been times when other values more like what the GP implies have driven governance and social direction in the US. There was a side with values like that in the civil war. There was government and there were movements with those values for much of the 20th century especially following periods of national trial when it was clear we needed governing values that truly drove the common welfare.

A lot of us grew up and are still living with the fruits of that. That’s the America we’ve known. We’ve also always known that there are many Americans who never bought in, who had a vision more like the other side of the civil war, or want welfare that’s a bit more unevenly distributed, perhaps not even distributed in some directions at all.

It can still be a bit of a shock to find out that illiberal portion growing with a grip on a growing number of levers of power.

Can the America with a vision of truly common welfare reassert itself? Maybe. Maybe not.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by nostrebored »

slantedview wrote: post #576
davidw wrote: post #118

My grandparents were pretty WASPy, conservative people who lived in northern Idaho. And they hated the white supremacist/neonazi groups up there with a burning passion. They were of an age to remember people going off to fight in Germany and Asia against that kind of ideology. They would have been absolutely appalled and ashamed to see a business leader throwing those salutes and backing it up with talk of a "white h…

> I find it deeply dismaying that people consider that "just politics" or that opposing it is "ideological" It depends: if you support far right viewpoints, like wanting to deport minorities, the MSM will cover it as just politics. If you support far left (for America) viewpoints, like, wanting free healthcare, the MSM will cover it as if you're a radical communist.

This is entirely framing.

To most people “I want to deport minorities” would imply nothing about citizenship status.

Someone with the opposite opinion would frame it as “open borders”, which is an extremist viewpoint globally and also not what people on the left in the US are advocating for.

Media coverage in the US is partisan. This is not an insightful viewpoint or nearly as incendiary as you’re making it out to be.

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Post by commandlinefan »

pavlov wrote: post #277
bluebarbet wrote: post #257

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But since when did using a business's product come to require sharing (or not sharing) political views with the business's owner? Seems to me that this is what has changed. PS. It's amazing to me, and worrying, the anger and vituperation this position is provoking. It was once almost consensus. To take the obvious parallel, buying a newspaper did not imply agreement with the reactionary press baron who owned it.

In the case of X, the business owner is aggressively pushing his political views on users by heavy-handed methods like prioritizing his own posts in algorithmic feeds and overriding the context of his AI bot to parrot his pet ideas. If you went to a restaurant and it had Confederate flags and pro-slavery memorabilia on the walls, would you think: “Well, that’s just their political view, I don’t have to share it to ea…

> the business owner is aggressively pushing his political views

That's always been the case with Twitter - Dorsey was just as bad, but just with a different set of political views. (Views that, I presume, the EFF is aligned with).

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Post by ruszki »

rockemsockem wrote: post #520
ruszki wrote: post #155

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How do you know that they reduce their reach to their target audience in any considerable way? According to their article their reach on X is about 3% of what was 7 years ago, and god knows how much is bot from those 3%.

Here's my simple criteria. I'm on Twitter/X, but none of the other social media sites they list (I mean, I'm on LinkedIn, but not in any sort of regular way). So their reach to me personally is diminished. Obviously I'll still go on their website if I want to keep up with their activities and I'll probably still hear relevant news about them though.

It seems to me that you realized at the end that "their reach to [you] personally is [absolutely not] diminished".

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by onetimeusename »

davidw wrote: post #409
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #381

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Here it is: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2030202550259962338 That's just disgusting stuff. Gutter white nationalism.

So in order to stop the next Nazis, promote racism against white people and then if they complain that is proof they were planning to become Nazis.

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Post by deadeye »

davidw wrote: post #118

My grandparents were pretty WASPy, conservative people who lived in northern Idaho. And they hated the white supremacist/neonazi groups up there with a burning passion. They were of an age to remember people going off to fight in Germany and Asia against that kind of ideology. They would have been absolutely appalled and ashamed to see a business leader throwing those salutes and backing it up with talk of a "white h…

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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by lucb1e »

txrx0000 wrote: post #31

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> He just retweeted the Telegram founder 20 hours ago.

Wouldn't that only strengthen one's resolve to not get invested in anything Elon controls?

Telegram started out as being the privacy option, not owned by Facebook, encrypted chats were possible long before WhatsApp did that (not sure if whatsapp still sent messages in plain text on TCP/443 when telegram launched with TLS). It was a thing, and I believed it, and the UX was and is amazing, but they still haven't rolled encryption out further (not even to desktop clients, much less expanding/switching the protocol for, say, group chats) and then I recently looked at this Telegram dude's Telegram channel and... well, that's when I cancelled my subscription.

My only problem is: what platform could replace it? Signal doesn't scale with thousands of members; Matrix could not decrypt message; Wire seems to have abandoned their consumer products; XMPP has no market share so you're really starting from zero; some others like Jami have mediocre-to-bad UX; Threema is paid (would be fine by me if a reasonable fee lets 10 other people use it free in the first year, say); Discord would just be swapping one walled garden out for another. What's one to do? I'm just looking to be part of communities, not start a new hobby by hosting a public Zulip/Rocketchat server and trying to bring about an exodus and convince everyone that my server is better

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