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Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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darth_avocado wrote: post #18
DarkmSparks wrote: post #14

"According to the IUCN Red List criteria, a species is generally classified as Endangered (EN) if its population of mature individuals falls below 2,500" Also IUCN, with only 180,000 individuals the Emperor penguin is now classified as Endangered. I think someone has been out hunting headlines.

That is objectively a wrong summary of how IUCN Red List is calculated. There’s a variety of factors including rate of decline, and any of those factors can lead to a species being in the Endangered category. https://www.iucnredlist.org/resources/categories-and-criteri... No one is farming for headlines.

the article says 20,000 was 10% of the population therefore the population is 180,000.

if "something might happen in the next 60 years to wipe out half the population" counts as making a species endangered, every species on the planet counts as endangered.

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Post by vixen99 »

wiseowise wrote: post #15

Climate change is a hoax, those leftist penguins and marxist seals just want to hamper our great economy!

Those penguins and seals are certainly being ignored by the world at large. Thanks to trillions of dollars the renewable revolution has proceeded apace since 2010-2015 but reduction in fossil fuel use has not occurred. Quite the reverse and overall total energy demand is now greater than ever before. And from all this one concludes . . . ?

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Post by threethirtytwo »

p-e-w wrote: post #13
threethirtytwo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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About 15 years ago, I saw on the news in Europe that 8 students had been shot at some random high school in a random US state. Having been conditioned by my environment to perceive such events as important, I turned to my friend and said “Man, 8 students were shot at a high school in the States!” He asked me “What am I supposed to do with that information?” That response changed my life.

How did it change your life?

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Post by khrbrt »

moffkalast wrote: post #24
Qem wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get a bit of this looming feeling every time there is discussion about the Awk programming language, because it reminds me we already got the closest thing to a penguin in the nothern hemisphere extinct by the XIX century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk Hope this time around we do a better job of avoiding complete doom for these species.

If a bird can't fly and isn't a super fast runner, they end up as food. Tale as old as time.

They're going extinct by habitat loss from climate change.

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Post by jerlam »

BurningFrog wrote: post #27
metabagel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, we are in the process of making parts of the earth unlivable for humans.

Most of the planet already is unlivable for humans.

The difference is that the parts we're making unlivable for humans already have millions of people living there already.

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Post by pstuart »

timdiggerm wrote: post #5
alsetmusic wrote: post #2

It’s surprising how much this headline affects me. Who doesn’t like penguins? And seals are nice, but penguins are so likeable. We’ve really ruined everything.

It's not as though people intentionally made these endangered because they have insufficient love for penguins. We have unintentionally done it because we have insufficient love (care) for them and many, many other things, creatures, people, etc.

It's because the people who get rich off of fossil fuels are in control, and they are willing to continue this damage as long as it adds to their personal fortunes.

We could "manhattan project" ourselves out of this mess if we wanted to. China, in a sense, is doing just that.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Post by darth_avocado »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #31
darth_avocado wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is objectively a wrong summary of how IUCN Red List is calculated. There’s a variety of factors including rate of decline, and any of those factors can lead to a species being in the Endangered category. https://www.iucnredlist.org/resources/categories-and-criteri... No one is farming for headlines.

the article says 20,000 was 10% of the population therefore the population is 180,000. if "something might happen in the next 60 years to wipe out half the population" counts as making a species endangered, every species on the planet counts as endangered.

Please go ahead and read the criteria for how the species are tagged as endangered. Current status and population numbers can contribute to that tag, but if there are active threats that are going to rapidly affect healthy population numbers, they will still be considered endangered.

The die off is accelerating. Krill shortages (mostly due to commercial fishing) and warming temperatures will ensure it’s not going to take 60 years and that’s what the tag means.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Post by DarkmSparks »

darth_avocado wrote: post #38
DarkmSparks wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the article says 20,000 was 10% of the population therefore the population is 180,000. if "something might happen in the next 60 years to wipe out half the population" counts as making a species endangered, every species on the planet counts as endangered.

Please go ahead and read the criteria for how the species are tagged as endangered. Current status and population numbers can contribute to that tag, but if there are active threats that are going to rapidly affect healthy population numbers, they will still be considered endangered. The die off is accelerating. Krill shortages (mostly due to commercial fishing) and warming temperatures will ensure it’s not going to…

Meanwhile, some of us haven't forgotten

https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/record-maximum-sea-ice-in...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3613794165505253&set=gm...

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Post by darth_avocado »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #39
darth_avocado wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please go ahead and read the criteria for how the species are tagged as endangered. Current status and population numbers can contribute to that tag, but if there are active threats that are going to rapidly affect healthy population numbers, they will still be considered endangered. The die off is accelerating. Krill shortages (mostly due to commercial fishing) and warming temperatures will ensure it’s not going to…

Meanwhile, some of us haven't forgotten https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/record-maximum-sea-ice-in... https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3613794165505253&set=gm...

Glad you still remember of random yearly increase in ice from 2014 and a photo of a random newspaper clipping from 1974 shared on Facebook.

Meanwhile long term trends in Antarctic and arctic ice cover: https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets#...

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