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Post by paufernandez »

imiric wrote: post #490
davidw wrote: post #118

My grandparents were pretty WASPy, conservative people who lived in northern Idaho. And they hated the white supremacist/neonazi groups up there with a burning passion. They were of an age to remember people going off to fight in Germany and Asia against that kind of ideology. They would have been absolutely appalled and ashamed to see a business leader throwing those salutes and backing it up with talk of a "white h…

This is a controversial opinion, but I do think that there are objectively right and wrong sides of political ideologies. At its core, there's nothing wrong with conservatism. Wanting to preserve traditional cultural and social values; the nuclear family with a father and mother figure; theology as the moral backbone—all of these are reasonable ideas. But somewhere along the way this got associated with xenophobia, r…

I could put my signature on your comment as if it was mine, wouldn't change even a comma.

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Post by kgwxd »

0ckpuppet wrote: post #505
madeofpalk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Of course they're ideological. That's the whole point of their existence. Anyway, > Twitter was never a utopia. We've criticized the platform for about as long as it’s been around. Still, Twitter did deserve recognition from time to time for vociferously fighting for its users’ rights. That changed. Musk fired the entire human rights team and laid off staffers in countries…

Twitter never cared about users rights. Read Matt Taibbi's congresional testimony on Twitter's censorship machine.

Read, was bs, as expected from matt

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Post by lucb1e »

theahura wrote: post #365
ghshephard wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was recently at a brown bag at work - regarding enablement of AI in the workplace (it was awesome - all over the roadmap) - and one of the audience asked the speakers (a very diverse group of people) how on earth they keep up with all the developments in AI? All six of the speakers immediately said Twitter was realistically the only place you can keep up with the conversation. Having an extensively curated list mea…

The big issue with this approach is that it will destroy your sanity for things that are often a big bag of hype with nothing underneath. I often find HN to be better because things that get on the front page are vetted beyond 'someone on twitter hyped up a thing'

> things that get on the [HN] front page are vetted beyond 'someone on twitter hyped up a thing'

Interesting take. I'm not aware that anyone is doing vote rings or vote buying very successfully (considering that my own blog also makes it at an expected rate, and I know there isn't a group of friends voting that up) but I kinda assume that this is a thing for some of the bigger launches where they are hoping for conversions. Beyond a defined group coordinating their posts or votes, though, surely HN's front page can't be seen as vetted beyond "oh this looks trendy/hype"? People don't vote only after trying out the product or reading the full article. In many cases that would mean voting after it has already disappeared off of the front page for good

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Post by rockemsockem »

alex1138 wrote: post #278
ghshephard wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was recently at a brown bag at work - regarding enablement of AI in the workplace (it was awesome - all over the roadmap) - and one of the audience asked the speakers (a very diverse group of people) how on earth they keep up with all the developments in AI? All six of the speakers immediately said Twitter was realistically the only place you can keep up with the conversation. Having an extensively curated list mea…

bsky is meant to hold the promise of control your algorithm, I don't see why that can't be the model going forward

The tech seems great, the people don't

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Post by cobbaut »

codeflo wrote: post #116

Nothing recent made me feel quite as old and out of the loop more as the slowness with which I realized that this is about x.com (Twitter), not x.org (the windowing system).

My first thought was "so they go commandline now?". Because X for me is still "the graphical interface".

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Post by kgwxd »

Ir0nMan wrote: post #22

This reads as very performative. You don't have to choose between posting 10 times a day or deleting your account; you could just post less or use it for major updates.

Ah yes, classic advice. Remain neutral while the vile humans do not. You must be one of them.

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Post by mayneack »

pmdr wrote: post #234

> We'll Keep Fighting. Just Not on X Yeah, somewhere where regular people that aren't terminally online won't ever have the chance to see it. This is a dumb decision. I'd very much like for open, distributed social networks to win, but that's not a reality we'll be living in anytime soon. X, for better or worse, gets you eyes, more so than any other alternative social media.

Half this post is about how few people they're reaching on X.

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Post by Invictus0 »

lynndotpy wrote: post #441
mellosouls wrote: post #19

If they justify it in terms of reach and impressions then say they will still be on BlueSky and Mastodon then you know it's purely ideological. Which is fine but just be honest about it.

Yes, EFF is a civil liberties group and always has been, which makes it a purely ideological movement. Let's be honest and look at the engagement numbers of the post announcing this: X post: 124 comments, 79 reblogs, and 337 likes BlueSky post: 245 comments, 1400 reblogs, and 6.2K likes Mastodon post: 403 reposts, 458 likes These numbers, combined with the facts that Mastodon and BlueSky are aligned with internet fre…

Which internet freedoms is X strongly aligned against?

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by solid_fuel »

conradfr wrote: post #372
nostrademons wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite impression, that this decision was primarily economic in nature. People (or at least the sort of people interested in the EFF) simply aren't on X/Twitter anymore, and so it's not worth posting there.

But what is the cost of posting on X? Why do they even have a blue tick?

It lends legitimacy to a declining site controlled by a white supremacist and filled with more neo-nazi’s by the day.

The fewer legitimate organizations posting on twitter, drawing eyes and views to the site, the better.

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