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Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Such a law illustrates the beauty of federalism. Texas and other states can have them if they want them! Maine has not nearly as much space and much more natural beauty to protect [per square mile], so it can and maybe should have a different set of rules. That's cool.

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Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Such a law illustrates the beauty of federalism. Texas and other states can have them if they want them! Maine has not nearly as much space and much more natural beauty to protect [per square mile], so it can and maybe should have a different set of rules. That's cool.

Don't know why people think Texas doesn't have natural beauty. It's a huge state.

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Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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post #3

Such a law illustrates the beauty of federalism. Texas and other states can have them if they want them! Maine has not nearly as much space and much more natural beauty to protect [per square mile], so it can and maybe should have a different set of rules. That's cool.

Don't know why people think Texas doesn't have natural beauty. It's a huge state.

Folks have been conditioned to consider the deserts of West Texas, especially the Permian Basin, to be wastelands with no redeeming value.

Personally, while it isn't my favorite landscape or even my favorite desert landscape, I still think it is a landscape with intrinsic value and beauty.

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Good. But will RAM prices go down again? I don't want to pay 2.5x as much as I did ~2 years ago, for the same piece of hardware ...

There are multiple factors at here which have now gone beyond datacenters.

1. Iran war has made the prices of both helium gas and energy to asian countries higher which is making ram production more expensive.

2. Samsung workers are in a protest (15 thousand workers)

3. Jevon's paradox (even after turboquant, we might be just scaling things up in demand perhaps)

4. Some providers have already signed up/locked up more expensive deals so there is a more baseline of higher

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Will a US state get the same kind of criticism a European country gets about push-back against big tech? Maine will go bankrupt? Maine will turn into a barren backwater? There will be no jobs?

There are already no jobs, it is already a barren backwater as compared to most other states. Other than the tourism options, Maine doesn't have a lot going.

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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For people who support this kind of ban, I'd ask if you would support a similar ban on new factories for, say, car parts.

Like data centers, factories use a lot of power -- which drives up electricity bills -- and their construction can have local environmental impacts. Data centers have a reputation for not providing too many local jobs, but modern factories are often highly automated and also don't provide too many local jobs.

If, given all that, you'd support factory construction but not data center construction, I'd be curious as to why.

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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Did any major data centers want to locate in Maine, or is this just an empty gesture?

Empty ? Why call it that? It's proactive.

Also it's naive to think they announce their intention to move somewhere. They try to cover it and never tell a soul until it's a done deal.

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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For people who support this kind of ban, I'd ask if you would support a similar ban on new factories for, say, car parts. Like data centers, factories use a lot of power -- which drives up electricity bills -- and their construction can have local environmental impacts. Data centers have a reputation for not providing too many local jobs, but modern factories are often highly automated and also don't provide too many…

Why not just require factories /data centers invest in solar/wind/renewables to cover their power usage.

Banning is so childish when there is easy solutions.

Re: Maine is about to become the first state to ban major new data centers

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post #17

For people who support this kind of ban, I'd ask if you would support a similar ban on new factories for, say, car parts. Like data centers, factories use a lot of power -- which drives up electricity bills -- and their construction can have local environmental impacts. Data centers have a reputation for not providing too many local jobs, but modern factories are often highly automated and also don't provide too many…

Factories for car parts employ about 1000X more people per square foot than a data center and aren't actively contributing to decreasing the amount of jobs for people in a state.
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