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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by owlcompliance »

bsimpson wrote: post #122

I know that Hacker News can be for anything "hackers find interesting," but I really hope it doesn't become yet another political doomland. There are so many other places to go to raise your anxiety - I'd rather this remain a space for things that are positively interesting.

Just to give you an idea of how much this forum has degenerated, you got downvoted for expressing a respectful opinion. I got -4 for cracking a joke. This forum is full of intolerant digital Karens. Some guy tried evaluating me based on my Karma. Many people on here literally don't realize that this forum is not real life. They forget a world outside this website exists. It's wild.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by queenkjuul »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #151
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

> Also...I don't think a fast-follow conflict in Cuba right after this Iran affair is going to do much good, but that seems like where their appetite is going next. I was watching a video by Man carrying thing about Iran war, (he makes skit about things which are still good) and he mentioned the Cuba thing. I am being 100% serious right now, I thought that it was just a joke of the skit. Are we actually being serious…

America has been in an ongoing conflict with Cuba since 1959. Trust me, American insanity know absolutely no bounds, the rest of the world needs to wake up and do something about it

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Post by queenkjuul »

Aurornis wrote: post #192
lostlogin wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After the Iran war where now Iran gets to tax the Strait of Hormuz, something it previously didn't do. I find it hilarious that one of the conditions of the ceasefire is that the straight opens. It was open prior to the war. Great negotiation. Wow.

That's how ceasefires work. One of the conditions of a ceasefire is that they cease firing. There was no firing prior to the war.

There was no war prior to Trump deciding to embarrass himself

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by queenkjuul »

theodric wrote: post #187
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

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Just read the fucking article, what is wrong with you

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by krapp »

benlivengood wrote: post #222
anonu wrote: post #50

There is a lot to source from Christian ideals, many of which are the foundations of Western culture: human dignity, moral equality, conscience, limits on power and care for those less fortunate and weaker. Much of what is happening in the world today feels like a stark reversal of those ideals: selfishness and divisiveness manufactured to promote a narrow segment of society. Recent news articles have indicated an in…

I think what actually happened is that the Enlightenment comprehensively developed the concept of natural rights and the Christians were like "well, we're not beating that with divine right of kings, better adopt it as the thing God did all along".

The absolute, immutable, eternal and unchanging nature of God somehow changes with the times. Even in scripture. Odd, that.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by queenkjuul »

toyg wrote: post #73
colechristensen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like some hothead idiot driven by the big orange hothead idiot prompted Claude about how to threaten the Vatican and then used its talking points on the ambassador. So "calculated" maybe, but only because AI could come up with the answer, I have serious doubts that many of these people possess more than basic literacy much less the ability to come up with something like this. Or some CIA analyst who hates t…

Not taking these people seriously is how we got here. Please stop making that mistake. These people are insane.

Insane, stupid, and likely to ask Claude "how do i mog the Pope"

They can be both stupid and unhinged. The power they wield is worth taking seriously but that doesn't necessitate pretending that these are serious people

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Post by FearNotDaniel »

pjc50 wrote: post #148
jmmcd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anglo Please, write US-American. These people are not coming from any other place.

British "anglo-catholics" exist, and are weird in a different way.

Yes but Anglo-Catholic doesn’t mean an Anglo who is Catholic. It means an Anglican who is pretending to be Catholic but without acknowledging the pope’s authority.

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Post by tastyface »

ruffrey wrote: post #72
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #24

Lot of Catholics are MAGA aren't they? The few I talked to recently were really anti-woke, like 'woke' is ruining the world. Very Maga. How does this land with them?

In my Catholic circle, there are broad views on different policies. There are both political affiliations and lack of affiliation. For example, the official Catholic position is pro-life and pro-migration/pro-immigrant/mercy toward migrants. There's strong patriotism too. Doesn't fit cleanly into left vs right US politics at this time.

I think a true Orthodox/Catholic political orientation would be socially very conservative (without being hateful) and fiscally very liberal (giving/sharing as much as possible). This sort of party doesn't really exist, but it's almost entirely antithetical to MAGA, which caters to the rich and focuses on power, vengeance, and grievance politics.

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Post by fhdkweig »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #220
Teever wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d be surprised. A lot of religious people are extremely knowledgeable about historical stuff related to their religions. They might draw the absolutely worst conclusions from their historical knowledge and have incredibly biased takes but they’ve actually read and discussed these things which is more than you can say for your average person. It ultimately comes from their personal identify being so intricately ti…

Best analogy for religion I've ever heard: "A D&D game that went too far." If you've seen diehard gamers go on for hours about the minutiae of various editions of countless rulebooks, you can imagine what it's like when devout Catholics get together to talk shop. There are subtleties to this particular pissing match that aren't immediately obvious. The Vatican is starting to rein in the Opus Dei cult-within-a-cult. A…

CollegeHumor (now Dropout) made a sketch covering this "Religious People are Nerds"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHxl9QwbX8

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