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Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Life on this planet will be OK. Throughout geologic time countless species have gone extinct. The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal.

But: what are we trading it for? Higher living standards for more people is a noble and good but I don't think there's evidence it requires this rate of ecological destruction. Have we ever seriously tried to decouple growth from extraction?

I'm not convinced a solar punk future exists where technology will eventually close that gap in time. Maybe it will. So far it seems that every efficiency gain gets swallowed by expanded consumption. What seems most probable now is that we don't get a better world but the same dirty one plus a Starbucks on Mars.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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It’s terrible that the side effect of humans creating a world of wealth, safety and comfort (for all?) is that we risk destroying the very comfort we create - but it is also awesome that we have sufficient wealth to allow people to study these birds full time, enough wealth to build communication systems that tell random strangers about the threat they are under and hopefully enough time to correct the problem. I saw…

Right now, for many people, this falls into what Douglas Adams referred to as an SEP field. (SEP = Somebody Else's Problem)

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Life on this planet will be OK. Throughout geologic time countless species have gone extinct. The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal. But: what are we trading it for? Higher living standards for more people is a noble and good but I don't think there's evidence it requires this rate of ecological destruction. Have we ever seriously tried to decouple growth from extraction? I'm not con…

Plus, we are in the process of making parts of the earth unlivable for humans.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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It’s surprising how much this headline affects me. Who doesn’t like penguins? And seals are nice, but penguins are so likeable. We’ve really ruined everything.

I get a bit of this looming feeling every time there is discussion about the Awk programming language, because it reminds me we already got the closest thing to a penguin in the nothern hemisphere extinct by the XIX century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk Hope this time around we do a better job of avoiding complete doom for these species.

If a bird can't fly and isn't a super fast runner, they end up as food. Tale as old as time.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Life on this planet will be OK. Throughout geologic time countless species have gone extinct. The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal. But: what are we trading it for? Higher living standards for more people is a noble and good but I don't think there's evidence it requires this rate of ecological destruction. Have we ever seriously tried to decouple growth from extraction? I'm not con…

> The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal.

I'm not so sure. I'm reminded of this quote:

“How did you go bankrupt?" “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.” ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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Life on this planet will be OK. Throughout geologic time countless species have gone extinct. The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal. But: what are we trading it for? Higher living standards for more people is a noble and good but I don't think there's evidence it requires this rate of ecological destruction. Have we ever seriously tried to decouple growth from extraction? I'm not con…

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Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

#27

Life on this planet will be OK. Throughout geologic time countless species have gone extinct. The Anthropocene might be tragic for the natural world but not terminal. But: what are we trading it for? Higher living standards for more people is a noble and good but I don't think there's evidence it requires this rate of ecological destruction. Have we ever seriously tried to decouple growth from extraction? I'm not con…

Plus, we are in the process of making parts of the earth unlivable for humans.

Most of the planet already is unlivable for humans.

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get a bit of this looming feeling every time there is discussion about the Awk programming language, because it reminds me we already got the closest thing to a penguin in the nothern hemisphere extinct by the XIX century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk Hope this time around we do a better job of avoiding complete doom for these species.

If a bird can't fly and isn't a super fast runner, they end up as food. Tale as old as time.

Have you seen a penguin swim though? They are super fast in water

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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It’s terrible that the side effect of humans creating a world of wealth, safety and comfort (for all?) is that we risk destroying the very comfort we create - but it is also awesome that we have sufficient wealth to allow people to study these birds full time, enough wealth to build communication systems that tell random strangers about the threat they are under and hopefully enough time to correct the problem. I saw…

If you want to be thoroughly depressed go ahead and reread Karl Sagan‘s 1996 book the Demon haunted world

Literally everything he described in there is precisely the world we live in today

Re: Emperor penguin and Antarctic fur seal now endangered

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It’s surprising how much this headline affects me. Who doesn’t like penguins? And seals are nice, but penguins are so likeable. We’ve really ruined everything.

I love penguins, and this news has me close to tears

My local zoo has a little event during winter where the king penguins get to go for a little walk around outside their enclosure. I've been a few times this year and they are just such fun animals. It has made me want to get involved with the zoo somehow, maybe not working with the animals directly but something. I don't know.

It makes me so sad how we humans know that we are messing things up on the planet but we keep doing it anyways because the economy must grow

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