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Re: Non-hiring Practices

#101
i recently just changed jobs, so i can give a first-hand opinion on this.

firstly, the fact that many companies, after interviewing candidates, don't bother to contact interviewees afterwards is a big problem. it reflects personally on the people who run these companies and hire their workers. if your someone they want, they will kiss your ass to no end, but the second they don't want you, you're treated like a worthless piece of shit.

as i went through the recruitment process, i interviewed with a bunch of companies, from startups to larger, more established companies. i have to say that the situation was a lot more improved than a few years ago. a few years ago, i would talk to companies like ebay, and even getting all the way up to discussing salary, both ebay and the recruiters stopped talking to me abruptly, for unexplained reasons. i was pretty much put off paypal and ebay for those reasons.

this time around, it was mainly the startups that were pretty rude in notifying me that i was no longer being considered.

when i finally decided on a job, i was still in talks with several companies. i was sooo tempted to just stop responding to their emails, but instead i did the right thing and emailed them all personally, telling them that i had accepted another offer. most of the companies responded back congratulating me, and only a single startup didn't bother responding.

i am hopeful that we have turned the corner, and that being professional in one's correspondence, especially during the hiring process, is important.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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I have been instructed by legal affairs that non-contact after rejection is the safest choice for avoiding discrimination lawsuits. whether or not this is true, too much direct disobedience of management and legal usually results in starting ones own job search...

I wonder why this is seen as being an effective way of mitigating the risk of discrimination lawsuits? At some point, whether you explicitly tell them or not, the candidate knows they didn't get the job. I can see where it might be problematic to go into reasons why they didn't get the job, but I'm having a hard time seeing what risks a simple notice informing them they didn't get it causes?

Without a rejection letter you'd have to prove in court that you have been rejected in the first place. I imagine few judges will take such a case, otherwise people would be suing every single company for "rejecting" them by not actively recruiting them.

On the other hand, going silent after there already has been some communication established does not seem to be smart. But I am not a lawyer and there could be some sense in that too.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

#104
post #72

It is not merely rude but evil that anyone accepts a status quo of ignoring the unhired. +1000000 I have not often been in the job market, but every time I have, I've been stunned by this practice: Run an ad, get a bunch of resumes, ignore many of them. #1 Get this, all prospective employers: If you have time to run an ad, YOU HAVE TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERY RESPONSE. The typical response I usually get: "But we got so…

I love 37Signals - their products and their content, but this is the biggest issue I have with them - ignoring applicants. I've never shared the story of my efforts in applying to 37Signals, but this seems like a great time :) About 6 months ago, 37Signals advertised for a dedicated Conversion guy/gal: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3175-were-hiring-help-us-sign... This was very exciting for me. I'd been a long-time…

I apologize for not getting back to you. That's not cool in general and triple uncool when you've out this much effort into it. I will make sure we write back to all applicants in the future to let them know when we've made a decision (this does some time take a while though, we've taken 4-6 weeks in the past to make a decision, but it will be done).

Re: Non-hiring Practices

#105

There are many examples here, both positive and negative, but I keep wondering, why people anonymize the unfavourable ones? I'd really love to know which company was that "company X", "company [HNer] won't publicly name", or "well known company in these circles". Those are important data points in order to know whether or not one should get involved with a particular company.

Because these companies are big and powerful and you do not want to be blacklisted.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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post #85

As a hiring manager, I tried to have my recruiting managers or sourcers handle the notification of bad news whenever possible, but I made the mistake of doing so myself a few times and will never do it again. While certainly most people either don't reply or simply provide an extremely rude e-mail response upon the no-offer status, I've had a decent share of stalkers. The behavior has varied from: - Women crying. - M…

Absolutely. If it's an imperative for the hire-er to say "no thanks", it's just as important for the unhired to be polite, too, to say "thanks for your time" and move on.

Agreed. Also, at some level, hearing those responses is a good thing. If I was hiring and someone started crying/complaining about my non-interest, I'd keep their name on file as someone to never, ever hire. Don't want that kind of person working with/for/around me. Sometimes bad replies are helpful, especially if you are in a very small field.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love 37Signals - their products and their content, but this is the biggest issue I have with them - ignoring applicants. I've never shared the story of my efforts in applying to 37Signals, but this seems like a great time :) About 6 months ago, 37Signals advertised for a dedicated Conversion guy/gal: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3175-were-hiring-help-us-sign... This was very exciting for me. I'd been a long-time…

I apologize for not getting back to you. That's not cool in general and triple uncool when you've out this much effort into it. I will make sure we write back to all applicants in the future to let them know when we've made a decision (this does some time take a while though, we've taken 4-6 weeks in the past to make a decision, but it will be done).

Thanks David. No worries - I figured it was probably just an oversight and moved on. Still a fan - thanks for the reply.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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post #36

I interviewed with a very well known company in these circles. I was delighted as they are known for paying attention to the everyday aspects of running a business & being open about it. (It was actually my 2nd time applying & interviewing with them. I didn't hear back that time either, having had a Skype interviewed with the founders). However, I was more than disappointed that after two interviews with staff member…

What company was that?

I won't say because the point to me is not to out the company. All I would like is that any reader who has been in a position to hire takes heed of what people go through.

Lots of well-known companies on HN and around suggest a lot of how-to advice and ways for doing business, but my personal sour experience suggests they don't practice what they preach.

If someone reads this and suspects it may be their company, all the better. Do something about it.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Universities wreck Google's response. Tens of thousands of applications, and every one is read—by machine or computer—and a response practically guaranteed. Why are American university admissions so much more organized than American business admissions? Easy answer: Application fees. And those who apply for free or for scholarships are essentially subsidized by someone else. Hard answer: Universities weren't always o…

Universities receive perhaps 1-10 apps per slot. Business receive 100s of apps per slot. I don't think there's really a comparison to be made.

We need a system similar to doctor and lawyers for programmers. Control the supply.

Re: Non-hiring Practices

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post #20

Such an important issue. A few years ago, I applied to McKinsey & Co as a resident. I had a pleasant time interviewing and got to the final round. I asked many questions as I was a physician and had no prior background in business but I was really interested and thought this was my calling in life. Their average response time via email was 57 minutes during recruitment. I just checked my old emails. After my final ro…

It is a good point to be polite to everyone. It is a Hollywood attitude: the "Hollywood No." Super kind, polite, excited people who figure out the best way to decline you, because nobody knows how big you could get. On the other hand, your situation might be rare. How often, in the graph of commercial interactions, does the dissatisfied recruit become potential client? Outside the extremely highly compensated (like a…

This situation is very common. See Microsoft's treatment of employees (and how after they left, they decide against using Microsoft technologies)
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