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Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
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#132Anyone using Thunderbird was forced to see this, not sure we (or the well-funded corp) need another round.
Yes, which has ensured I never donate to them again. It's my computer not MZLA's billboard.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's going to soon enter Alpha Perhaps other browser makers want to move faster than Ladybird.
that's fine. point is that Mozilla is wasting money and having 4000 people working on chrome may not be the correct benchmark.
Wait why is that fine? The whole point was that ladybird is yet to enter alpha which is the very reason why it's not the correct benchmark. And you said the Chrome comparison isn't the correct one but... didn't follow it up with an actual reason.
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#134I wouldn't mind donating if they separate it from Mozilla and move it to Europe.
https://www.tb.pro/en-US/thundermail/ Hosted Securely in Germany Your emails are protected by strict EU privacy laws and hosted on infrastructure you can trust. With servers located in Germany, Thundermail prioritizes your privacy while ensuring reliable, fast delivery worldwide.
Looks like it's still owned by Mozilla/MZLA and thus subject to US jurisdiction.
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#135I wouldn't mind donating if they separate it from Mozilla and move it to Europe.
https://www.tb.pro/en-US/thundermail/ Hosted Securely in Germany Your emails are protected by strict EU privacy laws and hosted on infrastructure you can trust. With servers located in Germany, Thundermail prioritizes your privacy while ensuring reliable, fast delivery worldwide.
I don't see how it's different from Amazon or Microsoft datacenters in the EU, which are not safe from the US government. As long as the US parent company can somehow get at the data, it is obligated to do so when a US agency asks for it.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using Thunderbird for decades, I've donated in the past, and am likely to donate again. With that out of the way, the lack of transparency as to what happens to my money kills the incentive to donate. "How will my gift be used?" "Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing develop…
I find that a weird sentiment. Why do people demand to know and control how every one of their donations goes, while nobody questions how corporations use their money. Ironically, the demand for this increased transparency significantly increases compliance cost, which means more and more money is driven away from the actual cause toward the administrative costs. Exactly what people don't want to support.
I don't think it's that weird. If they sold it as a product then the understanding is that there is a profit motive and profits mean CEO's get paid.
If you're asking for donations and holding your cap out, the implication is that every penny will go toward development.
Mozilla should either just make it a product that you have to pay for, or sub to, or keep donations cleanly separated.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
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For the avoidance of doubt, you won't donate to Thunderbird because you disagree with the following policy? > We do not discriminate on the basis of race [...], religion [...], gender, gender identity, gender expression, color, national origin, pregnancy, ancestry, domestic partner status, disability, sexual orientation, age, genetic predisposition, medical condition, marital status, citizenship status, military or v…
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#138Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions. How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects? Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear a…
Yeah, there's basically nothing explaining why the need more funding, and what they will do with it. Hosting? Salaries? Admin? You'd hope for a bit more context than this.
> How will my gift be used?
> Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing development.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's basically how you could describe what happened. Those competent people are using Mozilla's infrastructure and trademarks, but otherwise running on donations.
Then how come everything they've done in the last 10 years has been garbage?
calling it garbage seems kinda harsh, but I think they are moving more to using a javascript rendering method instead of xul. I remember reading about it a while back. I don't really like it either and one of the first updates from back then broke a lot of UI that had been working ok. I am not really sure what the problems are with working with xul though, but I think firefox moved off it a long time ago too. I feel like thunderbird's user base is more the type to want to use thunderbird because it runs like a local first desktop style app as an alternative to using a web interface to their email. At least that's what I like about it.
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#140To be honest, I wish Thunderbird would become part of LibreOffice, to become a real contender to MS Outlook/MS Office.
Mozilla is managing Thunderbird as a second class citizen since way too long.