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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#101

Post by mrks_hy »

jorvi wrote: post #97
copperx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people point to the rare bug report that deletes absolutely everything in the account. but at this point, I don't even know if it's true.

I've been hit by that bug, although it only deletes mail AFAIK. There's a separate bug that completely corrupts the mail database on compaction, making Thunderbird lock up including for every future launch. Its a beautiful open source effort but products that have bugs like that languish for 10-20 years just aren't reliable. I need my mail client to be reliable.

I've been using it to close to 20 years with multiple accounts and it was rock-solid. I wouldn't extrapolate from anecdata, in either direction.

But we should not spread FUD. If you can link to the bug I'd be interested, otherwise it doesn't add much value to claim this.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#102

Post by mrks_hy »

charcircuit wrote: post #80
mrks_hy wrote: post #38

I really like Thunderbird, it's the only truly cross-platform mail app, with K9 also now on Android. Works perfect, I even migrated my Windows install to Linux just by copying the data folder, absolutely seamless. Not sure why people are hating on it so much here. Point to an alternative with the same features?

Gmail can be used from any modern platform through the web and has dedicated Android and iOS apps too.

It cannot do PGP, by design, just for a very obvious fault. It won't let you use your own domain and web storage. Sorry, no contest.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#103

Post by dmantis »

charcircuit wrote: post #80
mrks_hy wrote: post #38

I really like Thunderbird, it's the only truly cross-platform mail app, with K9 also now on Android. Works perfect, I even migrated my Windows install to Linux just by copying the data folder, absolutely seamless. Not sure why people are hating on it so much here. Point to an alternative with the same features?

Gmail can be used from any modern platform through the web and has dedicated Android and iOS apps too.

1. web is too slow compared to any decent desktop client. thunderbird navigation/deletion/message opening is basically instant from human perception, web version operations are visible to human eye.

2. doesn't cut trackers

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#104

Post by throw934ork4k »

code-blooded wrote: post #11

Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions. How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects? Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear a…

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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#105

Post by PunchyHamster »

mrks_hy wrote: post #39
ano-ther wrote: post #32

As a lot of people in this thread advise against Thunderbird, what do you recommend instead (preferably for Windows as I am stuck on that)?

I think they are just hating on Mozilla out of pure principles, but without any alternative.

Thunderbird of now is more annoying and less convenient to use than when I last time used it in 2010's, before I moved to claws-mail.

And only reason using it now is cos of MS fucked up oauth2 method that is PITA to setup for any other OSS client as it requires the app to be added to their catalog and only thunderbird was big enough to get that

So I can understand the annoyance

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#106

Post by dominicq »

mrks_hy wrote: post #38

I really like Thunderbird, it's the only truly cross-platform mail app, with K9 also now on Android. Works perfect, I even migrated my Windows install to Linux just by copying the data folder, absolutely seamless. Not sure why people are hating on it so much here. Point to an alternative with the same features?

I can't get it to save emails that I've corresponded with on the Android app. I always have to find specific emails in the email history, and then "Compose message to". If I try to start a new email and start typing the name, or email address, there's no dropdown, no suggestion. Have you ever had this issue on Android?

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#107

Post by account42 »

The other day I cam to my computer with Thunderbird showing me a full page screen instead of my email list that I had open before. Not going to donate to projects that disrespect users like that - my computer is not your advertising space even if you consider your ads "helpful information".

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#108

Post by mb_thd »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #26
shakna wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla tried to kill Thunderbird in 2020. They've been talking about not sponsoring it all since 2015. They might have the money, but they don't really seem to want anything to do with the project.

Mozilla doesn't have the willpower or vision to do anything with anything.

Don't be so harsh on them. (\s) They show lots of willpower and some sort of vision when talking about AI in Firefox.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#109

Post by criticalfault »

smarnach wrote: post #87
Fervicus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do they do with all that money? According to wikipedia, they had about 750 employees. That's a lot of employees for the amount of useful products they have.

How did you come to the conclusion that 750 people is a lot to build a web browser? The Chrome-adjacent teams at Google are about 4,000 people, and that doesn't even include all the people at Google providing infrastructure (e.g. servers, workplace, HR, legal etc.). Comparing Firefox to Chromium-based browsers doesn't make much sense since these browsers don't develop their own web engine.

take the reference of ladybird.

in a couple of years they built the engine from scratch. it's going to soon enter Alpha. how many people from ladybird built that engine? about 10?

all while everyone has said that modern web makes this task impossible

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

#110

Post by criticalfault »

isodev wrote: post #42

I wouldn't mind donating if they separate it from Mozilla and move it to Europe.

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