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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by input_sh »

swiftcoder wrote: post #27
input_sh wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see them begging anywhere, I only see someone sharing a link to their donate page. For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, this is a legal subsidiary of Mozilla that is specific to Thunderbird, as in if you give it money it goes straight into Thunderbird. Many people here pretend to wish to be able to give money directly to Firefox, yet when they can do that for Thunderbird, people he…

> For what it's worth because legal names are confusingly similar, this is a legal subsidiary of Mozilla that is specific to Thunderbird Right, I get that, but why is it for-profit ? Fund raising is hard enough for nonprofits, convincing people to donate their hard-earned cash to a for-profit is on a whole different level.

I'm definitely not involved with any of them to know for sure, but my guess would be that's because non-profits come with a lot more regulatory overhead in comparison to for-profits of a similar scale. Not saying that's bad in any way, but for a team that just wants to build the damn thing, for-profits are absolutely less of a hassle.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by Skywalker13 »

reddalo wrote: post #34
tristanj wrote: post #5

Mozilla brings in almost $700 million per year, they have more than enough money to sponsor MZLA/Thunderbird development.

Mozilla is so sad. They have a lot of money and they could fund the development of both Firefox and Thunderbird. Yet, they decide to waste almost $7 million per year to pay a CEO and God knows what else.

like all Big Tech

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by hk__2 »

mrks_hy wrote: post #39
ano-ther wrote: post #32

As a lot of people in this thread advise against Thunderbird, what do you recommend instead (preferably for Windows as I am stuck on that)?

I think they are just hating on Mozilla out of pure principles, but without any alternative.

> I think they are just hating on Mozilla out of pure principles

Please don’t assume bad faith when the reality is that you don’t know.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #9

> MZLA Technologies Corporation is a wholly owned for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation and the home of Thunderbird. I guess I don't understand why the open-source email client with zero revenue potential is managed by a for-profit subsidiary, nor why that for-profit subsidiary is begging for donations. Shouldn't this whole thing be managed by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation?

Please no. The Mozilla Foundation has lost their way. I don't want them messing with my favorite email client.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by TekMol »

I wish there was a system that lets users put up a donation that is released once a specific bug is fixed or a specific feature is implemented.

Wouldn't that be cool? The company would have a list of tasks with a dollar amount next to it.

I for one have been dabbling with a bug in ThunderBird for days now that drives me mad:

I recently created a folder in Thunderbird and called it "archive". No way would I have expected that this will lead me to a bug and will take hours out of my day: There seems to be no way to get rid of this folder anymore.

Things I have tried:

"Keep message archives in" in "Copies and Folders" is disabled. I tried temporarily enabling it, setting it to some other dir and disabling it again, that did not help.

I have disabled it in "subscribe".

I cannot rename it.

There is no "archive" folder in the web interface of my email provider, so if it Thunderbird somehow created it on the server, there seems to be no way to see, let alone delete it again in the web interface.

I tried deleting archive.msf on disk. That makes the folder disappear after the next start, but it is recreated after about a second.

I deleted folderTree.json and folderCache.json, that did not help.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by Skywalker13 »

narag wrote: post #47

After reading a bunch of negative comments here, let me add a little on the bright side. I've been using Thunderbird for many years, currently both at home and at work to manage gmail accounts, pop at home, imap in the office. It works great for me, with a few annoyances but nothing serious. As for the donations, Thunderbird seems to be somehow apart from Mozilla now, so I don't think much about specific org structur…

I use Thunderbird from the beginning when it was still named Firebird (I switched from Outlook Express). I think that it's a good product because it continues to do the job since more than 20 years. Me too I don't understand the negative comments. It's free (MPL license), it's packaged by Debian. All good. I don't care about Mozilla.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by EbNar »

rambambram wrote: post #37

Just donated. Have been using Thunderbird for years. I once donated to Wikipedia - and they have billions I heard - so might as well donate to another important piece of software for my digital life. Now that I read the comments I find out Mozilla might have enough money and a CEO taking in millions. Any recommendations for a good email client on Linux? Just as a backup for now...

I'm just using Evolution. Switched from Thunderbird a few weeks ago. So far, so good.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by j-bos »

TekMol wrote: post #57

I wish there was a system that lets users put up a donation that is released once a specific bug is fixed or a specific feature is implemented. Wouldn't that be cool? The company would have a list of tasks with a dollar amount next to it. I for one have been dabbling with a bug in ThunderBird for days now that drives me mad: I recently created a folder in Thunderbird and called it "archive". No way would I have expec…

You can do that. It's called a restricted donation. If you make a donation with a cover letter or a check memoizing a specific purpose and the nonprofit accepts it, then by law they're legally obligated to follow through and use that money for that purpose. With bugs it's probably easier because you can just write the bug ID on the check.
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