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Re: Claude mixes up who said what

#11
Oh, I never noticed this, really solid catch. I hope this gets fixed (mitigated). Sounds like something they can actually materially improve on at least.

I reckon this affects VS Code users too? Reads like a model issue, despite the post's assertion otherwise.

Re: Claude mixes up who said what

#13
> This class of bug seems to be in the harness, not in the model itself. It’s somehow labelling internal reasoning messages as coming from the user, which is why the model is so confident that “No, you said that.”

Are we sure about this? Accidentally mis-routing a message is one thing, but those messages also distinctly "sound" like user messages, and not something you'd read in a reasoning trace.

I'd like to know if those messages were emitted inside "thought" blocks, or if the model might actually have emitted the formatting tokens that indicate a user message. (In which case the harness bug would be why the model is allowed to emit tokens in the first place that it should only receive as inputs - but I think the larger issue would be why it does that at all)

Re: Claude mixes up who said what

#14
AI is still a token matching engine - it has ZERO understanding of what those tokens mean

It's doing a damned good job at putting tokens together, but to put it into context that a lot of people will likely understand - it's still a correlation tool, not a causation.

That's why I like it for "search" it's brilliant for finding sets of tokens that belong with the tokens I have provided it.

PS. I use the term token here not as the currency by which a payment is determined, but the tokenisation of the words, letters, paragraphs, novels being provided to and by the LLMs

Re: Claude mixes up who said what

#17
It is OK, these are not people they are bullshit machines and this is just a classic example of it.

"In philosophy and psychology of cognition, the term "bullshit" is sometimes used to specifically refer to statements produced without particular concern for truth, clarity, or meaning, distinguishing "bullshit" from a deliberate, manipulative lie intended to subvert the truth" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit

Re: Claude mixes up who said what

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The statement that current AI are "juniors" that need to be checked and managed still holds true. It is a tool based on probabilities . If you are fine with giving every keys and write accesses to your junior because you think they will probability do the correct thing and make no mistake, then it's on you. Like with juniors, you can vent on online forums, but ultimately you removed all the fool's guard you got and w…

> If you are fine with giving every keys and write accesses to your junior because you think they will probability do the correct thing and make no mistake, then it's on you. How is that different from a senior?

Okay, let's say your `N-1` then.

Re: Claude mixes up who said what

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In chats that run long enough on ChatGPT, you'll see it begin to confuse prompts and responses, and eventually even confuse both for its system prompt . I suspect this sort of problem exists widely in AI.

Gemini seems to be an expert in mistaking its own terrible suggestions as written by you, if you keep going instead of pruning the context
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