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Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

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Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

#11

I think this war will be the moment that historians mark as the death of Pax Americana. The US failed to change the Iranian regime, failed to open the strait, and now a previously international waterway will be tolled in a currency other than the dollar. I wish it need not have happened in my time

Trump promised the most crypto-friendly US administration ever, but this is probably not what Republicans had in mind.

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

#12

I think this war will be the moment that historians mark as the death of Pax Americana. The US failed to change the Iranian regime, failed to open the strait, and now a previously international waterway will be tolled in a currency other than the dollar. I wish it need not have happened in my time

This war will be to the US what the Suez Crisis was to the United Kingdom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

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”Hosseini said that each tanker must email authorities about its cargo, after which Iran will inform them of the toll to be paid in digital currencies. “He said that the tariff is $1 per barrel of oil, adding that empty tankers can pass freely. “‘Once the email arrives and Iran completes its assessment, vessels are given a few seconds to pay in bitcoin, ensuring they can’t be traced or confiscated due to sanctions,’…

Cannot get to the article, so:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-warns-tankers-they...

What is to stop the ships from lying ? I wonder if Iran will do spot check of some ships to prevent this. And will boarding ships cause Trump to have yet another breakdown ?

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

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”Hosseini said that each tanker must email authorities about its cargo, after which Iran will inform them of the toll to be paid in digital currencies. “He said that the tariff is $1 per barrel of oil, adding that empty tankers can pass freely. “‘Once the email arrives and Iran completes its assessment, vessels are given a few seconds to pay in bitcoin, ensuring they can’t be traced or confiscated due to sanctions,’…

As bitcoin is quite traceable I don't see how this works if you're trying to avoid sanctions. For Iran it probably doesn't matter but for the vessel owners it probably does.

Business idea - Iran Bitcoin fee intermediary. Realistically the CIA will handle this for US companies and maybe allies until they figure something out.

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

#15
post #7

Pretty crazy for countries to demand Bitcoin that has no clear plans for quantum. Not to mention security budget issues.

It’s not like Iran plans to keep the Bitcoin. It’s just a way around sanctions.

Weren’t sanctions lifted last week?

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

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”Hosseini said that each tanker must email authorities about its cargo, after which Iran will inform them of the toll to be paid in digital currencies. “He said that the tariff is $1 per barrel of oil, adding that empty tankers can pass freely. “‘Once the email arrives and Iran completes its assessment, vessels are given a few seconds to pay in bitcoin, ensuring they can’t be traced or confiscated due to sanctions,’…

As bitcoin is quite traceable I don't see how this works if you're trying to avoid sanctions. For Iran it probably doesn't matter but for the vessel owners it probably does.

Yes, from sanctions perspective, the vessel owners seem to have more exposure than Iran -- as crazy as it sounds on the surface.

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

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”Hosseini said that each tanker must email authorities about its cargo, after which Iran will inform them of the toll to be paid in digital currencies. “He said that the tariff is $1 per barrel of oil, adding that empty tankers can pass freely. “‘Once the email arrives and Iran completes its assessment, vessels are given a few seconds to pay in bitcoin, ensuring they can’t be traced or confiscated due to sanctions,’…

As bitcoin is quite traceable I don't see how this works if you're trying to avoid sanctions. For Iran it probably doesn't matter but for the vessel owners it probably does.

Agreed, but I wonder it if matters in practice. It's not like one can boycott bitcoins by serial number or something, is it?

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post #6

I was under the impression that they were asking for payment in stablecoins, not bitcoin? Did they change their mind?

Given that 99% of stablecoins are USD-denominated, and that the vast, vast majority of those are custodial, Bitcoin makes much more sense for Iran.

Re: Iran demands Bitcoin fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire

#20
It is interesting in several different ways, because I was speculating on how it is being done before current cease fire. Everything seemed to be point to Yuan ( or other non-USD currencies ), which then are more easily settled by vessel owners and likely buried under some non-descript names like fees to be , maybe, questioned later its all done.

edit: And it seems I was wrong despite it being my initial thought in terms of used rail.

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