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Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Post by skeeter2020 »

noio wrote: post #190
i_am_proteus wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycle bells are mostly for warning pedestrians when approaching from behind and passing on shared-use trails. I ride on shared infrastructure and cannot afford to build new infrastructure when my town will not. Not warning a pedestrian when approaching from behind introduces the possibility of collision if the pedestrian makes a sudden change in his walking course. I typically use this etiquette: Passing a single p…

I wonder if you are German? Spending some time in Germany from Holland I notice there is a significant difference in cycling etiquette :) Especially regarding “passing a cyclist” which also touches on the essential difficulty with having only one “ring” sound. Always when Germans pass me on the bike and they ring I get slightly annoyed because I interpret it as a “get out of the way” ring, and I feel like there is en…

cars are typically the biggest problems and it's usually their behaviour, but I always give a friendly wave when a car yields (or even just doesn't run me over).

One small victory at a a time...

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Post by skeeter2020 »

Zvez wrote: post #257
i_am_proteus wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycle bells are mostly for warning pedestrians when approaching from behind and passing on shared-use trails. I ride on shared infrastructure and cannot afford to build new infrastructure when my town will not. Not warning a pedestrian when approaching from behind introduces the possibility of collision if the pedestrian makes a sudden change in his walking course. I typically use this etiquette: Passing a single p…

I hate to tell you, but you are doing it wrong If infrastructure is shared it doesn't mean you have more rights to pass than pedestrian. Moreover, bell as a way to warn doesn't work. Because pedestrians will mostly get startled because of it and can actually do this sudden move you are trying to make them not do. So if you are on fast vehicle comparing to others in the same infrastructure, you need to drive in a way,…

shared infrastructure means exactly that.

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Post by YesBox »

michh wrote: post #234

Coincidentally, I bought a 12v car horn yesterday with the intent of wiring it into my ebike's power supply with a little button on my handlebars. Not because of other cyclists or pedestrians wearing (anc) headphones but because modern cars are so heavily sound-proofed they don't hear a bicycle bell anymore. A recent incident with an inattentive taxi driver in a brand new EV nearly flattening me prompted me to want t…

for your safety, when people hear a car horn, they’re going to be looking for a car.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Post by GJim »

michh wrote: post #234

Coincidentally, I bought a 12v car horn yesterday with the intent of wiring it into my ebike's power supply with a little button on my handlebars. Not because of other cyclists or pedestrians wearing (anc) headphones but because modern cars are so heavily sound-proofed they don't hear a bicycle bell anymore. A recent incident with an inattentive taxi driver in a brand new EV nearly flattening me prompted me to want t…

> I bought a 12v car horn yesterday with the intent of wiring it into my ebike's power supply

Putting an aerosol fog horn (available from boating supply shops) in the bikes water bottle holder is much simpler, louder and more effective.

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Post by prmoustache »

0x3f wrote: post #265
prmoustache wrote: post #253

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> In order for e.g. a horn to work you need enough time that the driver processes the situation and decides the horn will communicate something AND enough time for the pedestrian or whatever to process that and react to it. Generally it's a lot easier just to press the brake, and more importantly be travelling at a speed and in a manner where the brake is sufficient I have seen a small kid jump from his father's scoo…

If I'm driving and I see a young kid like this I always move out away from the curb if possible. So even if they dart out or fall into the road it's not a problem. Actually, same if I'm passing a bunch of parked cars and there is room, since kids can be stupid and emerge from between them. If someone truly runs into when you're stationary, I'm not sure anyone really has a problem with you in that scenario.

I don't want people to get hurts, regardless if it is my fault or not. Our world/societes could do with more empathy even if some people do errors.

For the same reason I try to be courteous and try to always say "hello, thank you, have a nice day" even if sometimes I am fuming inside that someone cut my path and I had priority from a legal point of view. I also quietly slow down and give ample distance to someone who cross the street when I am driving even when it is a stupid decision from their part and others would have honked or shouted insults.

I don't think our life and interactions should always be a case of us vs them.

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Post by Coeur »

This seems to be part of a type of brand marketing where a brand claims it has invented something, but the only thing that ever exists of significant economic value is the attention raised by the promo video / article. Not the thing/service.

Examples:

- Samsung safety truck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GNGfse9ZK8

- Citroën motion sickness glasses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aco63dlq_WE

- Amazon Prime Air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AVVTBmtDdo

- IBM Smart Ads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbEMVdzXiCY (implies they created lots of ad posters, but they only made 3 posters for this video)

- Lexus Hoverboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFf7Meqkim8

I wonder if there is a term for this. "Vaporware marketing"?

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Post by laweijfmvo »

croemer wrote: post #10

Video version which has more detail than the text: https://youtu.be/zDaVPfpQvPI?is=sSyjXf07r9cg9r4Y Bit cringe marketing though.

absolutely filled with misleading "science" and outright lies, so they can charge a premium for a bell.

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Post by bigblind »

jmull wrote: post #299
empyrrhicist wrote: post #283

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Shouting that while traveling too fast is indeed incorrect, but a polite "on your left" or bell while traveling an appropriate speed is considered good behavior to avoid surprising pedestrians.

Outside of some stage actors and drill sergeants, there are probably few people who can project their voices well enough that a vocal warning is useful. You're either traveling slow enough that it's not necessary (and why yell at people if you have to?), or are too far away for someone to understand and get a bearing on who isn't already looking at you. A bell is still rude in a shared space but used correctly, a dec…

If you just bell once or twice, and don't aggressively keep ringing, I'd never consider a bicycle bell in a shared space rude. I even consider it good manners, though as others have said, that varies between cultures.

Being visually impaired, though, I'm grateful for cyclists who use their bell. It's immediately clear. For some reason, my brain takes slightly longer to process someone yelling "on your left!" or similar, than just a quick "ring ring".

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Post by stronglikedan »

amluto wrote: post #306
srejk wrote: post #300

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When I was commuting 60k/day on my bike in shitty suburban conditions, I used one of these instead - you get limited use per trip, but you can always fill it up with a CO2 cylinder/bike pump: https://www.hpvelotechnik.com/en/recumbent-trikes-bikes/acce... It is loud .

That’s a crappy pressure vessel holding 350ml of 80psi air, for about 100J of stored energy. I’m not entirely sure I’d be comfortable with that, especially anywhere with my face in the line of fire it it fails.

> That’s a crappy pressure vessel

That's a huge assumption, and likely incorrect.

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