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I have been instructed by legal affairs that non-contact after rejection is the safest choice for avoiding discrimination lawsuits. whether or not this is true, too much direct disobedience of management and legal usually results in starting ones own job search...

I wonder why this is seen as being an effective way of mitigating the risk of discrimination lawsuits? At some point, whether you explicitly tell them or not, the candidate knows they didn't get the job. I can see where it might be problematic to go into reasons why they didn't get the job, but I'm having a hard time seeing what risks a simple notice informing them they didn't get it causes?

I was also baffled. as you can imagine, an HR/legal department dysfunctional enough to emit guidance like that is also incapable of and unwilling to justify its decisions...

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Once after an interview I wrote an email to thank the group I interviewed with for their time and to say that I did not think it would be a good fit. About a month later they wrote to inform me that I wasn't a good fit for their group. So there are cases when hearing nothing negative would be preferable than hearing something negative.

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The other benefit of being civil, polite and responsive is the candidate may not be the best match now, but they will know other people and meet people when they do get a job. They are far more likely to recommend your company to those people. It helps sell your company and they will remember it in their future career and business dealings.

My only qualms have been what to do about the people who made no effort - the folks who borderline spammed every email address they can find. So far we have also responded to all of them too.

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Thank you. This seems to be the practice for many recruiters now, too. For more than ten years I've wondered what's happened to common decency and professionalism.

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I have been instructed by legal affairs that non-contact after rejection is the safest choice for avoiding discrimination lawsuits. whether or not this is true, too much direct disobedience of management and legal usually results in starting ones own job search...

Sounds like legal affairs might not know exactly what they're talking about and playing it safe. Kind of like the consultant that says a 40 person company needs three Exchange servers or a mechanic who prescribes a new Johnson rod.

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Many years ago, I applied for a Google job that I was totally unqualified for. I didn't even get an interview, but they sent me a nice snail mail paper rejection letter anyway. I've heard mixed things about their interview process, but I still get a have a nebulous warm fuzzy feeling when I think about possibly sending a resume in again one day, because of one simple, probably automated, $.29[1] response. Conversely,…

While you might disagree, asking to start in two-months is not exactly the same as salary negotiation. Most places have schedules and deadlines and the reason they are hiring is often due to the fact that they have a project that needs to meet some deadline on schedule. Two months in the project lifecycle is a long time for any project. I'm not surprised they gave you the silent treatment. On the other hand, had you…

If it's a serious offer, they can always take the five minutes to say, "sorry, we're in a bit of a rush to start people up", too. Asking for time off between jobs is a pretty normal thing.

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While I agree that it is the decent thing to do, the whole '' Reply>Copy>Paste>Send. 5 seconds.' is probably not entirely accurate. Many organizations spend weeks going through hundreds of applications before contacting the candidates that they are interested in. Also, in general, if you've applied and haven't heard anything back by the end of the week, it's probably safe to cross them off your list. If it turns out…

> While I agree that it is the decent thing to do, the whole '' Reply>Copy>Paste>Send. 5 seconds.' is probably not entirely accurate. Many organizations spend weeks going through hundreds of applications before contacting the candidates that they are interested in.

I think the stories about effort required to look at applicants is a load of hooey and is an excuse to make HR departments and managers seem busy. It's very hard for for me to believe that a hiring manager has to eyeball a resume for more than a minute to see if the candidate goes in the "maybe" pile or the "no" pile, and no more than 5 minutes to take a good look at each resume in the "maybe" pile and continue to subdivide from there (each division would take more time to look at the meat of the resume). I seriously doubt even huge organizations like Google have humans look at hundreds of resumes for a single position.

The absence of reply is human nature: No matter how nice you put it, you're actively rejecting them, and that's a hard thing to do. When you think about all the times you've been rejected it's usually by being ignored whether it be a friend not picking up the phone, a girl not replying to the message you sent her on the dating site, or by an employee who pretends to not hear you. Yes, it's painful at times, but much less painful than a verbal "I don't want to talk to you."

The other aspect is that by replying it initiates (or continues) an interaction. HR employees or hiring managers would like to say "thanks but no thanks" but then the applicant will want to argue, make their case, beg, or in the worst situation get angry.

Another reason they don't send replies is because they want to keep their options open. Sometimes their first pick declines the offer and it would be very awkward for them to send the letter and then come back and make you an offer, or even more awkward if the number one pick accepts, they send out the letters, then the number one pick backs out.

Companies should send the "thanks but no thanks" replies to everyone that the hiring company has responded to and they should send them from a "no reply" type address where replies are blackholed or deleted.

On a side note: With the explosion of technology HR is no longer qualified to screen technical resumes. For almost every other profession it's easy to see who's qualified and who's not, but when you have a group of non-technical people dealing with thousands of technical terms and buzzwords they aren't qualified to make the decisions, and if they're simply matching keywords then they're an obstacle to the process and can be replaced by machines. Yes, calling for machines to replace humans isn't pretty but in this day and age it's the way the world works and people in HR need to up their game.

> Also, in general, if you've applied and haven't heard anything back by the end of the week, it's probably safe to cross them off your list.

I send em and forget em, it's much less stress that way.

The only time you should actively pursue a position is when you have a direct line to the decision maker or their boss. Recruiters are powerless because they can't ask for updates too often and are at the mercy of the hiring company. Good luck getting someone in HR on the phone directly to make your case. It's even harder to find out the name of the hiring manager when you're applying at a megacorp.

Find the decision maker if you want to pitch directly or to follow up, but if you can't, just spray and pray.

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Silence after sending the resume in and especially after in–person interview kills every motivating molecule in me. I wish there was some kind of metrics based on feedback attached to my profile, so that after interviews, I'd bounce to that perfect position, as "one man's trash is another man's treasure".

Best rejection letter I got so far:

"We're sorry to say we couldn't accept you for a position at XXX. Please don't take it personally, it was a hard decision. The applications we receive get better every day, and since there's a limit on the number positions, we have to turn away a lot of genuinely promising people.

Another reason you shouldn't take this personally is that we know we make lots of mistakes.

We're trying to get better at this, but the hard limit on the number of people we hire means it's practically certain that people we rejected will go on to do something amazing. "

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Silence after sending the resume in and especially after in–person interview kills every motivating molecule in me. I wish there was some kind of metrics based on feedback attached to my profile, so that after interviews, I'd bounce to that perfect position, as "one man's trash is another man's treasure".

Best rejection letter I got so far:

"We're sorry to say we couldn't accept you for a position at XXX. Please don't take it personally, it was a hard decision. The applications we receive get better every day, and since there's a limit on the number positions, we have to turn away a lot of genuinely promising people.

Another reason you shouldn't take this personally is that we know we make lots of mistakes.

We're trying to get better at this, but the hard limit on the number of people we hire means it's practically certain that people we rejected will go on to do something amazing. "

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The local newspaper printed the following just last week (possibly fake and not sure how it was attached to the email but good publicity nevertheless):

I was an applicant for a role at Bell Tea and Coffee Company recently. In due course I received an email advising I was unsuccessful. It read: 'We are genuinely sorry that we couldn't offer you an interview this time, but as a token of our appreciation for your interest in working for Bell Tea and Coffee Company, we enclose a little something to assist you in your job search (Bell Tea sachets). All super heroes need a little pick-me-up from time to time and our Bell Kenya Bold tea is especially designed to do just that!' All too often these days we don't even receive an acknowledgement to job applications. So well done, Bell, for making a small kindness. It is pretty tough out there for jobseekers.

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