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Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by Bender »

kalleboo wrote: post #102
Bender wrote: post #67

The only place I have utilized an IPv6 address publicly is on my authoritative name servers only because some DNS testing tools assume it is there. It's not really needed however. My home firewall does have one but I have never used it. I can't think of a use for it. I have multiple static IPv4 addresses and they have suited me just fine for decades. I suppose I could bind a Squid SSL Bump MitM proxy to it in case a…

> I have multiple static IPv4 addresses and they have suited me just fine for decades IPv6 is for the people (countries, continents) who did not get in early on the IPv4 address gold rush. Your take is basically "got mine, F you".

Or ... people can use the DoD/Mod and assorted other space to get their IPv4 allocations. There is a ton of unused space in IPv4. Reserved, allocated but entirely unused. Also take back some /8's from greedy companies that don't need all that space. stares at HP When I say take I mean take as in a forceful annex and a timeline.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by p1mrx »

tsoukase wrote: post #94

If IPv6 doesn't dominate in the next, let's say, 10 years, they might publish the IPv8 which will be an 64bit space, backwards compatible with IPv4. It will be the only case where a newer version of software comes back closer to an older one.

> the only case where a newer version of software comes back closer to an older one

Winamp 3 -> Winamp 5 was closer to Winamp 2. Windows 8 -> Windows 10 was closer to Windows 7.

Though I don't expect this to happen with IP.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by dartharva »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #16
jdwithit wrote: post #4

IPv4 has been "in crisis" for the entire 20 years I've worked in tech and we seem to be managing alright. Not to say things can't be better or we shouldn't try to improve. But I'll be surprised if v4 isn't still the default for most use cases in another 20 years.

That's because the Internet is basically broadcast TV 2.0 so no one cares about having public IPv4's at home as long as they can get to their memes and streaming. Great job, we took something that was meant to be a next frontier in humanity and let anyone connect with anyone else without gatekeepers/intermediaries and turned it 21st century brainrot troughs. Perhaps a society not in slow intellectual decline would ha…

> Perhaps a society not in slow intellectual decline would have chosen otherwise.

The "slow intellectual decline" has circular causality with advancement of mass media and convenience tech.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by lern_too_spel »

LoganDark wrote: post #106
jofla_net wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hole punching, which has various forms, may or may not work. This means if you're doing something realtime, you may need to stick a server(reachable endpoint) in between it, at the very least reducing performance.

I have never seen any situation where this is not already necessary other than UPnP which already almost never works reliably. A publicly-addressable relay is already practically non-negotiable for anything over the internet.

IPv6 everywhere makes that not necessary, which is what the author is pushing for.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by unethical_ban »

isodev wrote: post #15

Someone should’ve thought about the UX of IPv6 before declaring it to be “the way”. It’s like having to learn Klingon just to setup your printer. IPvNext could sort that out… maybe it’s time to consider moving on.

I learned the basics of IPv6 a few years ago, and forgot some of it... but NDP, the built in default addresses for router solicitation, address assignments and so on.

I'll tell you that if you just think of it on its own, it's really no harder than IPv4 + ARP + DHCP, just one or two extra things to remember.

The difficulty of adoption is the featureset and the UX of operating systems and home routers in particular. It is really difficult to find a consumer router, or even home networking OS, that exposes sensible working defaults for IPv6. The problem extends to the ISPs.

The spec is fine.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by CookieTonsure »

bluGill wrote: post #34
AussieWog93 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why couldn't it? Just split the address into two 32-bit chunks (call the top word the "pool", bottom word "address") and assign the full IPV4 range to pool 0x00000000. Done.

That doesn't change anything - until everyone adopts the new chunk nobody can use it (even one windows XP machine that you don't personally care about is enough to still kill it today). IPv6 is better because at least it can work side by side by IPv6.

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Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

general1465 wrote: post #109
dogleash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. People learn parts of v4 through osmosis because it's the default. Then when networking topics come up, it's easier to keep going with stuff that looks familiar rather than un-learning assumptions. Why bother with the weird other thing that's not even mandatory?

Because IPv4 is logical and makes sense. First thing which IPv6 came up with? No NATs everything will have a public address. It turned out that this was hare brained idea so let's just cover it up with firewall. However misconfigured firewall means that everything is open... IPv6 has been designed by people who were unable to think further than what is going to be tomorrow for a lunch.

Isn't that the first thing that IPv4 came up with as well? One publicly routable address per device that wants to access the Internet (or the network of universities or military installations or whichever network you were on pre-Internet).

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

azalemeth wrote: post #17

I am behind cgnat but have a native ipv6 /64 at home. I've got a great fibre connection (2G5) and everything "just works". I can host on ipv6 native machines and see them from anywhere in the world that has native ipv6 access. The trouble is that 1) my employers do not have native ipv6 access; 2) neither does my mobile connection; and 3) really nor do a lot of my friends. Moreover, 4) if you browse a website from a n…

I'm curious - which mobile provider? I thought they were the ones that use IPv6 most, some even using 464XLAT so your device only has a v6 address.

Re: IPv6 is the only way forward

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Post by blinded »

bluGill wrote: post #22

The US doesn't have excessive IPv4 Addresses. We have a real shortage and big pain because we don't have anywhere near enough. Sure we have 40% of them all - but that has no indication of what enough is.

100% this, my college had 2 /16s for no reason. The printers were all public, was a mess.
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