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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by smcnc » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:53 AM UTC

PierceJoy wrote: post #297

smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

> impotent threat of attacking ships You've been paying attention to what's happened over the last few weeks and you qualify that threat as impotent? That impotent threat basically brought the rest of the world to it's knees.

Cost of insurance for ships did.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:53 AM UTC

Aloisius wrote: post #260

megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran…

Have the U.S. and Iran agreed the points? Or is this two weeks to hammer them down?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by PierceJoy » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:54 AM UTC

smcnc wrote: post #301

PierceJoy wrote: post #297

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> impotent threat of attacking ships You've been paying attention to what's happened over the last few weeks and you qualify that threat as impotent? That impotent threat basically brought the rest of the world to it's knees.

Cost of insurance for ships did.

And why did the cost of insurance for ships rise?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by ourmandave » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:54 AM UTC

Aloisius wrote: post #183

saladdays wrote: post #15

What is even the point of all the flip flopping if there’s ongoing talks? I feel like the doesn’t put any real pressure on Iran, but I may be uninformed.

To manipulate the price of oil.

But only some sort of sociopath would upend the world just to make a buck. Esp if they're already a billionaire with literally hundreds of other conflicts of interest.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by lotsofpulp » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:54 AM UTC

spaghetdefects wrote: post #239

Rotdhizon wrote: post #195

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The US is one thing but there is no possible way Israel will stop bombing. They will openly say they will, and continue to do so. It just gives them more breathing room to calculate bigger and more serious strikes. Israel has literally nothing to lose. The US is taking all the heat for any actions in Iran. Israel and Iran are mortal enemies, one can not continue to exist while the other lives, this is how they view i…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by throwup238 » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:55 AM UTC

smcnc wrote: post #269

oa335 wrote: post #262

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> Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed How are they still firing missiles and downing aircraft?

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Have you been living under a rock for the last quarter century?

It doesn’t take planes, ships, or missile launchers to defeat the US military. The average American gun owner is better equipped than the insurgents that have defeated our armed forces.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by donkeybeer » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:55 AM UTC

megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

Iran if they have any sense should be prepared for a massive self defense and counter attack. "Talks" from the USA and Israel have a precedent of being attacks and invasions.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by smcnc » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:55 AM UTC

jopsen wrote: post #295

smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

> is an impotent threat of attacking ships? All the ships stuck in the Gulf probably didn't consider the threat impotent. On the other side: what more can the US do? Target civilian infrastructure? There is no appetite for getting stuck with boots on the ground, and everyone (including Iran) knows this. You're probably right that it won't a win for anyone. If some of the points includes removing sanctions from Iran,…

This is true. 90% destruction of military is meaningless if 10% can wreck havoc on the strait. The cost associated with eliminating that 10% was deemed too much. That is Iran’s “win”.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by Aloisius » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:56 AM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #299

Aloisius wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran…

It doesn't seem much different. Both involve guaranteed stop of all hostilities plus payment for what you did plus keep we Strait Of Hormuz. The only difference is how the payment for the attack goes.

Withdrawal of US troops from the region and acceptance of uranium enrichment appears nowhere in the other 10 points.

There are permanent US bases in the region.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by computerex » Wed, Apr 08, 2026, 1:56 AM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #173

nickvec wrote: post #135

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Yep. No way they’re opening the Strait of Hormuz until the US/Israel gets the fuck out of Iran.

And no way US stops bombing them unless they open the strait (I say US because Israel doesnt care about the strait). I think such an agreement is plausible. Trump really cares about oil prices, and i imagine Iranian leadership would really like to stop being bombed.

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