Live data from Hacker News

Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

anthropic.com

151–160 of 921 posts

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly not what they're doing. They aren't creating operating system vulnerabilities. They're telling you about ones that already existed.

Well, in a slightly indirect manner. Claude is writing a ton of code, and therefore creating a lot of security vulnerabilities.

That's not what's happening here. This announcement is about the velocity with which Claude finds vulnerabilities in already-existing software.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#152
post #3

Pricing for Mythos Preview is $25/$125, so cheaper than GPT 4.5 ($75/$150) and GPT 5.4 Pro ($30/$180)

For comparison, 5x the cost of Opus 4.6, and 1.67x for Opus 4.1 I think this would be very heavily used if they released it, completely unlike GPT 4.5

Opus 4 & 4.1 are still on Vertex+Bedrock @ $75/1mm out. They were used very heavily and in my subjective opinion are better than 4.5 and 4.6.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#153

I really wanted to like anthropic. They seem the most moral, for real. But at the core of anthropic seems to be the idea that they must protect humans from themselves. They advocate government regulations of private open model use. They want to centralize the holding of this power and ban those that aren't in the club from use. They, like most tech companies, seem to lack the idea that individual self-determination i…

That is unequivocally true with some things. You don't want people exercising their "self-determination" to own private nukes.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#154
It's messed up that Anthropic simultaneously claims to be a public benefit copro and is also picking who gets to benefit from their newly enhanced cybersecurity capabilities. It means that the economic benefit is going to the existing industry heavyweights.

(And no, the Linux Foundation being in the list doesn't imply broad benefit to OSS. Linux Foundation has an agenda and will pick who benefits according to what is good for them.)

I think it would be net better for the public if they just made Mythos available to everyone.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#155

It's messed up that Anthropic simultaneously claims to be a public benefit copro and is also picking who gets to benefit from their newly enhanced cybersecurity capabilities. It means that the economic benefit is going to the existing industry heavyweights. (And no, the Linux Foundation being in the list doesn't imply broad benefit to OSS. Linux Foundation has an agenda and will pick who benefits according to what is…

In the long term, you're right, but in the short term, it's going to be a bloodbath.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#156
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A thought experiment: It's April, 1991. Magically, some interface to Claude materialises in London. Do you think most people would think it was a sentient life form? How much do you think the interface matters - what if it looks like an android, or like a horse, or like a large bug, or a keyboard on wheels? I don't come down particularly hard on either side of the model sapience discussion, but I don't think dismissi…

Interesting thought experiment. I would say, if you put Claude in an android body with voice recognition and TTS, people in 1991 would think they are interacting with a sentinent machine from outer space.

Thanks, I find it very interesting as well. I think very many people would assume they must be interacting with another person, and I don't think there's really a way to _prove_ it's not that, just through conversation. But we do have a lot of mechanisms for understanding how others think through conversation only, and so I think the approach of having a clinical psychiatrist interact with the model make sense.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#157

It's messed up that Anthropic simultaneously claims to be a public benefit copro and is also picking who gets to benefit from their newly enhanced cybersecurity capabilities. It means that the economic benefit is going to the existing industry heavyweights. (And no, the Linux Foundation being in the list doesn't imply broad benefit to OSS. Linux Foundation has an agenda and will pick who benefits according to what is…

Queue in the "First time" meme.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#158

Society is about to pay a steep price for the software industry's cavalier attitude toward memory safety and control flow integrity.

It's partly the industry and it's partly the failure of regulation. As Mario Wolczko, my old manager at Sun says, nothing will change until there are real legal consequences for software vulnerabilities.

That said, I have been arguing for 20+ years that we should have sunsetted unsafe languages and moved away from C/C++. The problem is that every systemsy language that comes along gets seduced by having a big market share and eventually ends up an application language.

I do hope we make progress with Rust. I might disagree as a language designer and systems person about a number of things, but it's well past time that we stop listening to C++ diehards about how memory safety is coming any day now.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#159

It's messed up that Anthropic simultaneously claims to be a public benefit copro and is also picking who gets to benefit from their newly enhanced cybersecurity capabilities. It means that the economic benefit is going to the existing industry heavyweights. (And no, the Linux Foundation being in the list doesn't imply broad benefit to OSS. Linux Foundation has an agenda and will pick who benefits according to what is…

Not only companies, they're going to be taking applications from individual researchers. No doubt that it will only be granted to only established researchers, effectively locking out graduates and those early in their career. This is bad.

Re: Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI era

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank god, finally someone said it. I don't know the first thing about cybersecurity, but in my experience all these sandbox-break RCEs involve a step of highjacking the control flow. There were attempts to prevent various flavors of this, but imo, as long as dynamic branches exist in some form, like dlsym(), function pointers, or vtables, we will not be rid of this class of exploit entirely. The latter one is the mo…

Everybody has been saying this for the last 15 years.

We're going to have to put all the bad code into a Wasm sandbox.
Post reply on HN