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System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by simianwords »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #30
mpalmer wrote: post #4

> Claude Mythos Preview’s large increase in capabilities has led us to decide not to make it generally available. A month ago I might have believed this, now I assume that they know they can't handle the demand for the prices they're advertising.

GPT-2, o1, Opus...been here so many times. The reason they do this is because they know it works (and they seem to specifically employ credulous people who are prone to believe AGI is right around the corner). There haven't been significant innovations, the code generated is still not good but the hype cycle has to retrigger. I remember when OpenAI created the first thinking model with o1 and there were all these bre…

Incredible that people still think like this.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #30
mpalmer wrote: post #4

> Claude Mythos Preview’s large increase in capabilities has led us to decide not to make it generally available. A month ago I might have believed this, now I assume that they know they can't handle the demand for the prices they're advertising.

GPT-2, o1, Opus...been here so many times. The reason they do this is because they know it works (and they seem to specifically employ credulous people who are prone to believe AGI is right around the corner). There haven't been significant innovations, the code generated is still not good but the hype cycle has to retrigger. I remember when OpenAI created the first thinking model with o1 and there were all these bre…

>I remember when OpenAI created the first thinking model with o1 and there were all these breathless posts on here hyperventilating about how the model had to be kept secret, how dangerous it was, etc.

I've read that about Llama and Stable Diffusion. AI doomers are, and always have been, retarded.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

simianwords wrote: post #71
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT-2, o1, Opus...been here so many times. The reason they do this is because they know it works (and they seem to specifically employ credulous people who are prone to believe AGI is right around the corner). There haven't been significant innovations, the code generated is still not good but the hype cycle has to retrigger. I remember when OpenAI created the first thinking model with o1 and there were all these bre…

Incredible that people still think like this.

You're completely right.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by washedup »

NickNaraghi wrote: post #20

See page 54 onward for new "rare, highly-capable reckless actions" including - Leaking information as part of a requested sandbox escape - Covering its tracks after rule violations - Recklessly leaking internal technical material (!)

"All of the severe incidents of this kind that we observed involved earlier versions of Claude Mythos Preview which, while still less prone to taking unwanted actions than Claude Opus 4.6, predated what turned out to be some of our most effective training interventions. These earlier versions were tested extensively internally and were shared with some external pilot users."

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by quotemstr »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #59
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't seen a jump this large since I don't even know, years? Too bad they are not releasing it anytime soon (there is no need as they are still currently the leader).

A jump that we will never be able to use since we're not part of the seemingly minimum 100 billion dollar company club as requirement to be allowed to use it. I get the security aspect, but if we've hit that point any reasonably sophisticated model past this point will be able to do the damage they claim it can do. They might as well be telling us they're closing up shop for consumer models. They should just say they…

This is why the EAs, and their almost comic-book-villain projects like "control AI dot com" cannot be allowed to win. One private company gatekeeping access to revolutionary technology is riskier than any consequence of the technology itself.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by lilytweed »

zarzavat wrote: post #56
rafaelmn wrote: post #41

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GPT is shit at writing code. It's not dumb - extra high thinking is really good at catching stuff - but it's like letting a smart junior into your codebase - ignore all the conventions, surrounding context, just slop all over the place to get it working. Claude is just a level above in terms of editing code.

Yes, it's becoming clear that OpenAI kinda sucks at alignment. GPT-5 can pass all the benchmarks but it just doesn't "feel good" like Claude or Gemini.

Whenever I come back to ChatGPT after using Claude or Gemini for an extended period, I’m really struck by the “AI-ness.” All the verbal tics and, truly, sloppishness, have been trained away by the other, more human-feeling models at this point.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by simianwords »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #74
simianwords wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incredible that people still think like this.

You're completely right.

uhh the model found actual vulnerabilities in software that people use. either you believe that the vulnerabilities were not found or were not serious enough to warrant a more thoughtful release

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by cedws »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #59
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't seen a jump this large since I don't even know, years? Too bad they are not releasing it anytime soon (there is no need as they are still currently the leader).

A jump that we will never be able to use since we're not part of the seemingly minimum 100 billion dollar company club as requirement to be allowed to use it. I get the security aspect, but if we've hit that point any reasonably sophisticated model past this point will be able to do the damage they claim it can do. They might as well be telling us they're closing up shop for consumer models. They should just say they…

More than killer AI I'm afraid of Anthropic/OpenAI going into full rent-seeking mode so that everyone working in tech is forced to fork out loads of money just to stay competitive on the market. These companies can also choose to give exclusive access to hand picked individuals and cut everyone else off and there would be nothing to stop them.

This is already happening to some degree, GPT 5.3 Codex's security capabilities were given exclusively to those who were approved for a "Trusted Access" programme.

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