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12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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Turning degraded land back into fertile land is actually very feasible and not as hopeless as it may seem. A lot of the damage people have done to landscapes in recent centuries is still reversible. There are a lot of examples all over the world of people turning dried out and heavily eroded land back into fertile land with great bio diversity.

Sometimes at small scale, and sometimes at very large scale. Often even just leaving it alone, and putting a stop to the practices that destroyed the land, (e.g. keeping the grazers out) sometimes is all that is needed. For example, a simple fence can allow vegetation to re-establish itself without getting destroyed by hungry deer, sheep, or whatever.

Once you have plants with deep roots, the land gets better at retaining water and soil stops eroding away. Once the land can retain water, a lot of life can make use of that. Nature tends to be resilient and adaptable. There are no one size fits all solutions for every landscape. But there are a lot of things that have been tried that have yielded good results.

In any case, stuff like this is not as surprising as it seems. Organic matter rots. That usually involves a lot of bacteria and insects. The result is basically compost. A giant heap of compost and a lot of wild seeds from neighboring grounds with a bit of water is one hell of a good way to kickstart nature. Probably the best decision was to leave it alone.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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It's recently occurred to me how "valuable" today's trash is likely to be considered in the future. I'll focus on organics here but I think the plastics will be equally valuable, too. I have no idea what % of American households compost or live in places which offer municipal compost pickup but I imagine it's in the single digits. As evidenced by this article, compost is/can be an incredibly powerful agent of change:…

See https://www.floridatrend.com/article/14356/trashed-plan-to-u...

St. Lucie County wanted to use a plasma torch that would have converted plastic and other carboniferous waste to energy. Like many other plans to do the same, it fell through

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_gasification

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thought occurred to me some 25+ years ago that today's landfills will be tomorrow's mines. I hope it isn't true but taking the very long view I'm afraid it will be.

We already mine landfills -- mostly for land reclamation but sometimes to recover resources. In the longer run, when there's been more compaction, settling, and densification (and changes in what things are valuable), and more need to reclaim land that was previously landfilled, we will do this more.

People sometimes build stuff on top of landfills.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

#44

Turning degraded land back into fertile land is actually very feasible and not as hopeless as it may seem. A lot of the damage people have done to landscapes in recent centuries is still reversible. There are a lot of examples all over the world of people turning dried out and heavily eroded land back into fertile land with great bio diversity. Sometimes at small scale, and sometimes at very large scale. Often even j…

Often you don't even need seeds from neighboring land. The soil that remains often still has seeds sitting dormant waiting for conditions to return to healthy.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

#45

Turning degraded land back into fertile land is actually very feasible and not as hopeless as it may seem. A lot of the damage people have done to landscapes in recent centuries is still reversible. There are a lot of examples all over the world of people turning dried out and heavily eroded land back into fertile land with great bio diversity. Sometimes at small scale, and sometimes at very large scale. Often even j…

As demonstrated in "The Biggest Little Farm" [1]. However it took years of hard work.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8969332/

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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> Despite this promising start, the conservation experiment wasn't to last, after a rival juice manufacturer called TicoFruit sued Del Oro, alleging that its competitor had "defiled a national park".

This is why we can't have nice things. Juice company makes compost? Sued! Ford wants to pay his workers a living wage? Sued! Nail lawyers to trees.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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> Despite this promising start, the conservation experiment wasn't to last, after a rival juice manufacturer called TicoFruit sued Del Oro, alleging that its competitor had "defiled a national park".

No good deed goes unpunished--wild that the competitor company successfully sued them.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

#48
The whole compost thing can be a lot of hassle for people. For a simpler option, if you are lucky enough to have a decent garden area, find somewhere away from your house and just throw biomass there regularly. Coffee grinds, spent tea, leftover veg, etc. and watch what happens! Sometimes simple is best.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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post #15

Suppose this is the article to give that person who chides you for dropping an orange peel on a hike.

life's too short for friends like that

It's apparently long enough for me to see the same orange peel in the same place over a year or two.

Re: 12k Tons of Dumped Orange Peel Grew into a Landscape Nobody Expected (2017)

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post #26

It's recently occurred to me how "valuable" today's trash is likely to be considered in the future. I'll focus on organics here but I think the plastics will be equally valuable, too. I have no idea what % of American households compost or live in places which offer municipal compost pickup but I imagine it's in the single digits. As evidenced by this article, compost is/can be an incredibly powerful agent of change:…

Proud to report residential composting is now mandatory in NYC.

Please elaborate. From what i know based on prior research, most metro (including NYC) recycling is effectively a scam. How do you mandate composting in NYC ? Are you implying that all buildings have now must build a 3rd chute specifically for compost ? And who's picking up that compost ? NYC Trash collection ?

I've seen compost vending machines in my visits to NYC and a few other places, but i've yet anyone using them

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