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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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There are many instances of “the” law, but your argument basically boils down to “who cares about markets, monopolies are good” which is a strange take.

> a strange take and a strawman. Monopolies are still subject to the Law of Supply and Demand, whether they are good or bad.

It's not a strawman, right above you said Standard Oil didn't steal anything because monopolies “don't owe [their] customer a discount.”

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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italy, a house in the so called 'rich' nord est, where 'Lega' party has been ruling for decades: * no fiber in the neightbour I am * internet on mobile: 10M when lucky * all houses have no city water pipe I'm glad they started to collect blak water (a month ago)

Currently in Palermo old town. Got fiber and get 200+ mbit over wifi. Even 5g when I go out.

oh, once you have a real fiber I guess problem is solved: the issue is to be in a building where you can have it.

btw: 5G here, too, but speed is slow (wind3).

What does your speedtest with palermo says? I have no doubt it's pretty slow :)

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Do you know any of those people? Yes it’s almost entirely a choice. Typically a combination of poor life choices in tandem with poor financial choices.

Which coastal major city do you live in?

You couldn’t be more wrong about who I am. My relatives and friends are some who have made those poor choices, and neither them nor I live in a major city. The poor in America are in two major camps: inner city and rural America. Both have different reasons for economic poverty and both stem from poor choices.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Currently in Palermo old town. Got fiber and get 200+ mbit over wifi. Even 5g when I go out.

oh, once you have a real fiber I guess problem is solved: the issue is to be in a building where you can have it. btw: 5G here, too, but speed is slow (wind3). What does your speedtest with palermo says? I have no doubt it's pretty slow :)

Didn't test 5G, just the wifi over fiber, but didn't perceive any slowness when using it.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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oh, once you have a real fiber I guess problem is solved: the issue is to be in a building where you can have it. btw: 5G here, too, but speed is slow (wind3). What does your speedtest with palermo says? I have no doubt it's pretty slow :)

Didn't test 5G, just the wifi over fiber, but didn't perceive any slowness when using it.

let us know: my personal experience (which includes a winter in downtown Palermo 2 yrs ago) is that speeds is pretty poor: it's much better in Addis Abeba, Kampala, Kigali...

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Didn't test 5G, just the wifi over fiber, but didn't perceive any slowness when using it.

let us know: my personal experience (which includes a winter in downtown Palermo 2 yrs ago) is that speeds is pretty poor: it's much better in Addis Abeba, Kampala, Kigali...

On the train elsewhere, but can try if there's any 5g there.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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I’m curious as to how those numbers skew rural vs urban, as my experience in France couldn’t be further from fibre - have had a house there for decades, and we went straight from dialup to starlink, as there still isn’t even DSL available there. Fibre… don’t make me laugh. It’s not like we’re super rural, either - small village, about 8km from two middling towns. The cell network isn’t much better - it’s 5g in the to…

Just like every operator promises 95%+ national LTE/5G coverage (they have legal obligations in this regard), but somehow your particular village or town in the lower Alps or in Brittany has shitty data rates for some reason, despite the main street being coloured green on the official covergae map. Some people in my family got a "zone blanche" subscription from SFR, i.e. LTE with a big antenna, possibly a higher Cat…

We did actually try the LTE route years before starlink, but even on a honking great yagi the signal was unusable - the terrain is rolling forested hills and it apparently plays merry hell with diffraction and absorption of near-surface waves - at my place in Portugal we made an LTE relay up a hill work for us, as there the issue was just terrain blocking it directly, rather than it being heavily attenuated.

Anyway, I’ve looked at our address on the sites the OP provided - and it’s the first time our address has correctly existed as an individual property, rather than the whole village being marked as one - and it appears fibre became available about two months ago, which would make sense as I last checked the situation in December while there.

Anyway. I guess my point, that I utterly failed to make, is that there are many unserved places that don’t sit correctly in a database somewhere, or are just sparsely populated and inconvenient.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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> with the notable exception of people with lots of capital to wipe the competition out of the market then do a rug pull after the fact They used to be called robber barons.

Ironically, during the anti-trust trial of Standard Oil, Rockefeller's market share kept slipping. His competitors figured out how to compete with him. As for Rockefeller being a "robber", the rise of Standard Oil resulted in the price of kerosene dropping 70%.

Falling prices is not always indicative of a well-functioning competitive market.

Rockefeller was known to deliberately lose money to undercut his competitors and put them out of business. With enough scale, a near-monopoly can provide irrational predatory pricing long enough make competitors insolvent. In between, it looks like the near monopoly is losing market share while prices drop.

Without taking the larger context, it's easy to misconstrue the long-term anti-competitive systemic effects.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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None of those are monopolies, unless you consider someone selling a sandwich on a particular plane as a monopoly and the people on the plane are your market, in which case it is exactly this situation, and why that sandwich doesn't cost $100. So instead of trying to think of complications, you need to first understand the argument, and then you can see it everywhere once you understand it.

I’m simply saying it’s incorrect to assume that everything everywhere is as cheap as possible. This is true in MANY INDUSTRIES, but not everywhere, and it’s absolutely nothing like a rule. You, I think, are tying it into a larger discussion about monopolies, but I’m not sure that makes sense because if you’re a monopoly, you don’t have competitors to beat on price, so you again would not charge the least amount possi…

> I’m simply saying it’s incorrect to assume that everything everywhere is as cheap as possible.

This is a non-sequitur. Please read the post and reply to what I wrote (or don't reply) - not to whatever ghosts are dancing in your head. I think the combination of you not understanding what I wrote, yet somehow getting triggered by it, and then launching on a debate with a interlocutor that exists only in your mind is the reason why you are objecting to things I said by providing examples that solidify my case.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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I’m simply saying it’s incorrect to assume that everything everywhere is as cheap as possible. This is true in MANY INDUSTRIES, but not everywhere, and it’s absolutely nothing like a rule. You, I think, are tying it into a larger discussion about monopolies, but I’m not sure that makes sense because if you’re a monopoly, you don’t have competitors to beat on price, so you again would not charge the least amount possi…

> I’m simply saying it’s incorrect to assume that everything everywhere is as cheap as possible. This is a non-sequitur. Please read the post and reply to what I wrote (or don't reply) - not to whatever ghosts are dancing in your head. I think the combination of you not understanding what I wrote, yet somehow getting triggered by it, and then launching on a debate with a interlocutor that exists only in your mind is…

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