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Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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I hear people make this comparison all the time, and while it is facially a bit funny I guess, I really don't think it holds up in any serious way. What is so similar about our world to that of idiocracy? In almost all the ways that matter, it seems like we are going in the opposite direction. * The primary plot point of idiocracy is that poor (and thus, stupid - the film never explains why this correlation exists in…

Birth rates are declining only among people who are smart enough to know and manage personal finances.

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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I think you could have done this in the 1980s and 1990s and found a lot of fits: MTV, reality shows, daytime TV, junk food everywhere, pop music becoming increasingly trite and simple, newspapers and commentary declining toward grade school level vocabulary.

In the 50s you would have had suburban conformity and doctors recommending cigarettes. In the 60s you had people trying to become enlightened by taking drugs and listening to con men claiming to be Eastern gurus. In the 70s you had dumb new age cults and a lot of very bad movies and ugly fashion.

Mass media and any culture dominated by mass media tends to race to the bottom. There are many forces that drive it. Dumb culture is loud and viral. Lies and bullshit cost zero to produce and are expensive to debunk. Quality takes time and cost to make and drowns in quantity.

Attempts to frantically fight these forces normally turn into their own dystopias, usually taking the form of authoritarian nightmares or moralistic crusades. These often end up looking deeply stupid in retrospect too.

Yet we are still here. So somehow quality finds a way.

As you look back in time things look less dumb because of survivorship bias. The dumb shit is forgotten.

Our age will be remembered as when we taught the sand to think, made rockets that land vertically, returned to the Moon, and developed quantum computers.

Nobody will remember that we used AI to make TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG SAHUR, that the guy with the rocket company acted like a thirteen year old 4chan edgelord, or that our president during the return to the moon couldn’t speak complete sentences.

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

#63

In Idiocracy, president Camacho actually had the decent idea of trying listen to (somewhat) reasonable people with relevant abilities or skills rather than insisting that his failures are actually successes and just trying to force it until that worked. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I'd like to bring your attention to the fact that society had deteriorated to the point of imminent famine before Camacho thought to try and listen to the smartest person around in an attempt to avert disaster. We are not quite there yet.

You haven’t internalized what “the fertilizer the world uses to grow food is missing, this spring, because of a needless war” actually means, have you?

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

#64
post #24

I hear people make this comparison all the time, and while it is facially a bit funny I guess, I really don't think it holds up in any serious way. What is so similar about our world to that of idiocracy? In almost all the ways that matter, it seems like we are going in the opposite direction. * The primary plot point of idiocracy is that poor (and thus, stupid - the film never explains why this correlation exists in…

> President Camacho is the exact inverse of Trump: he is stupid, uninformed, disconnected, and has few resources to address the challenges he faces, but he makes good-faith efforts to do so at every turn. Camacho does so because he literally has no other option, there is an imminent famine he has to deal with. If he was living in an era of abundance like Trump, then I wonder how sincere and transparent he'd be.

> If he was living in an era of abundance like Trump,

That's exactly the point: the world of the film is, in every way that matters, the opposite of the reality in which we live. So how are these strained comparisons useful?

> then I wonder how sincere and transparent he'd be.

Obviously we can't know, because the universe of Idiocracy is on rails toward stupidity and poverty, and never even considers greed and abundance as features of its janky political lens. In the first few minutes of the film, it establishes that poor, stupid people are to blame for every societal ill, and then it depicts a future in which no character ever even grapples with any other antagonist than the poverty and stupidity of his ancestors.

Is that today's world?! For who? Are the poor people in Iran and Gaza and Yemen who are dealing with explosives raining down on them (rather than Brawndo) stupid? Do you think their fate is attributable to the proclivity of previous generations to breed in inverse proportion to their material wealth?

It's just such an asinine premise it's hard to even understand what would qualify as a sound comparison, but it's certainly not any of those listed on this website.

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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This is just silly to portray idiocracy as a prediction of the future. Yes the current president of America is a movie actor, this was not idiocracy predicting the future, Ronald Reagan was a movie actor president before idiocracy came out. The movie satirised what was already happening, there is nothing special about nowadays.

> there is nothing special about nowadays. Nothing special? A sitting US President posted the following on Easter Sunday. > Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP There was a point in time when Trump would have b…

Can you imagine what past presidents would have typed if twitter existed 100 years ago? we had 2 world wars roughly that time, trump is only insane by modern standards, but modern time is if anything unusually sane, not unusually stupid, we are not living in the most special time.

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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post #24

I hear people make this comparison all the time, and while it is facially a bit funny I guess, I really don't think it holds up in any serious way. What is so similar about our world to that of idiocracy? In almost all the ways that matter, it seems like we are going in the opposite direction. * The primary plot point of idiocracy is that poor (and thus, stupid - the film never explains why this correlation exists in…

This feels like nitpicking. Idiocracy was never supposed to be accurate; the important part is how it seems less ridiculous as time goes on.

The primary point of idiocracy was to imagine a world where people were acting in increasingly stupid ways over time. The source of this is irrelevant. In reality, it turned out that the source of the stupidity was an increasingly poor education system, increasing inequality, and carefully designed injection of addictive technologies and medicines into the general populace.

Where idiocracy really failed in its predictions was in the development of AI, as that appears to increasingly substitute for lack of common understanding.

Also all of this only really holds for the US and maybe the UK.

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

#67

This is just silly to portray idiocracy as a prediction of the future. Yes the current president of America is a movie actor, this was not idiocracy predicting the future, Ronald Reagan was a movie actor president before idiocracy came out. The movie satirised what was already happening, there is nothing special about nowadays.

It isn't really the fact that the president is a movie actor that's damning there. It's the fact that the president uses wrestling catch phrases and behavior (Trump was even in WWE). Back when Idiocracy came out, the very idea of President Camacho seemed absurd. Nobody would bat an eye at that anymore. Yes, the movie was a satire and took the current observations to their logical extreme. The point is that we're pret…

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Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

#68

Every time Idiocracy comes up, I feel obligated to point out that it is WILDLY optimistic. The people are dumb, not evil. They struggle to adapt and learn, but are willing to try and willing to accept new information with evidence. We are not so lucky in reality.

> willing to accept new information with evidence.

Comancho saw the green shoot at the end and changed his mind.

That to me is what makes it utopian

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to bring your attention to the fact that society had deteriorated to the point of imminent famine before Camacho thought to try and listen to the smartest person around in an attempt to avert disaster. We are not quite there yet.

You haven’t internalized what “the fertilizer the world uses to grow food is missing, this spring, because of a needless war” actually means, have you?

Emphasis on the word "quite"

Re: Are We Idiocracy Yet?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a liquid. It's fine. Plus it's colored, so it must be more than water. Water is transparent. What can it contain? d'uh .

But does it have e-lec-tro-lytes? That's what plants crave, you know.

Isn't this the point the OP was trying to make?
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